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ATB 2 More 5 level idiocy?

#1 User is offline   Simplicity 

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Posted 2010-May-28, 08:01

Scoring: XIMP

P-(1♦)-2♠-(4♦)
4♠-(5♦)-P-(P)
5♠-AP


You are EW on this one, NS play weak NT and 4 card suits. 2♠ was ostensibly weak but can be wide ranging in this position. 4♦ was invitational.

Was East mad to save?
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Posted 2010-May-28, 08:17

Yes, barking mad.

A concequence of playing wide-range prempts is that you can't save as often as you'd like to.

Mind you, I wouldn't want to save on this, even opposite the most disciplined weak jump. Suppose that partner has AQxxxx xxx x xxx. 5♠ is going to cost 500, and they may have been about to misguess clubs and go down.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 08:19

4♦ lol.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 09:05

Why is it when the opponents bid a vulnerable game and we preempt, we automatically assume it makes?
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Posted 2010-May-28, 09:09

Phil? what's with the apostasy? :rolleyes:

I think 5♠ is bad if you are 100% sure partner has 6 spades and incredibly bad if partner preempts anything like I do in this position (passed partner AND favourable!).
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Posted 2010-May-28, 09:16

Phil, on May 28 2010, 04:05 PM, said:

Why is it when the opponents bid a vulnerable game and we preempt, we automatically assume it makes?

Trust your vulnerable opponents :rolleyes:

OK that doesn't really apply here, sorry. I just couldn't let it.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 09:23

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gwnn, on May 28 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

Phil? what's with the apostasy? :rolleyes:


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Posted 2010-May-28, 09:55

I don't think Phil was renouncing his religion...merely questioning it :D
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Posted 2010-May-28, 10:16

Sorry - too late for me to renounce my beliefs.

(I do find my danging modifier kind of interesting however)
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Posted 2010-May-28, 10:48

gwnn, on May 28 2010, 05:09 PM, said:

Phil? what's with the apostasy? :D

I think 5♠ is bad if you are 100% sure partner has 6 spades and incredibly bad if partner preempts anything like I do in this position (passed partner AND favourable!).

Would you have bid 2S with West hand? ...I would have bid 3S.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 11:00

Simplicity, on May 28 2010, 09:01 AM, said:

Scoring: XIMP

P-(1♦)-2♠-(4♦)
4♠-(5♦)-P-(P)
5♠-AP


You are EW on this one, NS play weak NT and 4 card suits. 2♠ was ostensibly weak but can be wide ranging in this position. 4♦ was invitational.

Was East mad to save?

If East didn't know the opponents were maniacs no blame just bad luck. If East knew they could bid like this then I would choose East.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 11:09

Quite mad. If he really wanted to bid 5♠ (not my choice, I am closer to 3♠), he should have done it immidiately.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 11:11

kgr, on May 28 2010, 04:48 PM, said:

gwnn, on May 28 2010, 05:09 PM, said:

Phil? what's with the apostasy? :D

I think 5♠ is bad if you are 100% sure partner has 6 spades and incredibly bad if partner preempts anything like I do in this position (passed partner AND favourable!).

Would you have bid 2S with West hand? ...I would have bid 3S.

I think 1♠ 2♠ and 3♠ are all OK to be honest and at the table I'd bid 2.
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Posted 2010-May-28, 11:13

kgr, on May 28 2010, 10:48 AM, said:

Would you have bid 2S with West hand? ...I would have bid 3S.

Hence, Gnasher's comment about wide range preempts is extremely relevent.

I would have bid 1S, and would have opened 1S if righty had passed.
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