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3rd seat hand

Poll: would you open the bidding? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

would you open the bidding?

  1. pass (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. 1 spade (2 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  3. 2 spades (23 votes [76.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.67%

  4. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   andrei 

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Posted 2009-October-05, 07:48

IMP, unfav

♠KJ5432
♥KT73
♦93
♣T


P - P - ??

Does it matter if opps are vulnerable too?
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Posted 2009-October-05, 07:53

2♠ looks utterly normal, and I open lighter than most in 3rd seat.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 08:22

3rd seat unfavourable with these lousy spots? I open light in 3rd seat too so 1♠ is utterly normal for me.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 08:42

if both vul I would bid 2♠. At these colors you will probably survive 2♠ but why tempt the opponents.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 09:41

The reason I dislike 1♠, is that if the auction goes p-p-1♠-p-1NT-p-? I want to rebid 2♠, but that should show a better hand than this if you want to ever be able to bid constructively over a 3rd seat open.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 09:43

I think 2♠ is normal in 3rd seat. Pls don't double me...
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Posted 2009-October-05, 10:20

2♠. I'm not particularly fond of it at r/w and with 4 hearts, but the hand does have some nice playing strength.

I've had mixed results with hands like this, but I agree with Tyler that 1♠...1N...2♠ shows a better hand (but doesn't promise a full opener either).
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Posted 2009-October-05, 11:05

Another 2♠ bidder but if you reverse the pointed suits, I clearly prefer passing to 2♦ as 2♦ doesn't preempt enough and won't be game if I get X'd and luck into a make.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 11:25

1♠ for me. I plan to rebid 2♥ over 1NT from partner. Several reasons:

(1) Safer than an unfavorable 2♠ opening on a bad suit.
(2) We can get to hearts if it's right.
(3) The very light one-level opening can give the opponents more trouble than the weak two.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 12:48

I 1♠ now but 2♠ with opps vulnerable. I don't like either action but I hate pass more.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 13:46

2♠. Pass is the second choice but not close. Bidding again (eg over partner's 1NT) should show a full opening bid otherwise it is just too hard to bid constructively.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 15:18

nigel_k, on Oct 5 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

2♠. Pass is the second choice but not close. Bidding again (eg over partner's 1NT) should show a full opening bid otherwise it is just too hard to bid constructively.

I agree, you have to let all the rebids but pass show at least very nearly a full opener. It's easy to say partner will respond 1NT, you will bid 2♥, and all is sweetness and light. But what do you do after

1♠ (2♥) 3♣ (P or X)

or

1♠ (1NT) X (XX)

or

1♠ 1NT
2♥ 2NT

etc etc. I don't think opening 1♠ is safer at all unless partner is in on it, and in this case I find it too difficult to let partner in on it.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 16:40

jdonn, on Oct 5 2009, 04:18 PM, said:

nigel_k, on Oct 5 2009, 02:46 PM, said:

2♠. Pass is the second choice but not close. Bidding again (eg over partner's 1NT) should show a full opening bid otherwise it is just too hard to bid constructively.

I agree, you have to let all the rebids but pass show at least very nearly a full opener. It's easy to say partner will respond 1NT, you will bid 2♥, and all is sweetness and light. But what do you do after

1♠ (2♥) 3♣ (P or X)

or

1♠ (1NT) X (XX)

or

1♠ 1NT
2♥ 2NT

etc etc. I don't think opening 1♠ is safer at all unless partner is in on it, and in this case I find it too difficult to let partner in on it.

I am in Josh's and Nigel's camp on this one. I might stretch a HCP or so with the rebid, but nothing close to as much as is required here to rebid after 1♠-1NT

Different strokes for different folks...and I still will chance 2♠ for it's preemption.
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