[gwnn]

Axxx
Txx
AQxxx
x

nobody vul imps LHO opens 1♥. (btw would you open this hand in 1st seat?)

1♥-x-p-2♥
3♣-3♦-p-?

Do you agree with 2♥?
Regardless of what you think of 2♥, what would you do now?

potential red herring: Opponents are about 85 years old. They might pass over the x with 3 card support.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Sep 29 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Axxx
Txx
AQxxx
x

nobody vul imps LHO opens 1♥. (btw would you open this hand in 1st seat?)

1♥-x-p-2♥
3♣-3♦-p-?

Do you agree with 2♥?
Regardless of what you think of 2♥, what would you do now?

potential red herring: Opponents are about 85 years old. They might pass over the x with 3 card support.

5♦ is probably about right

[Fluffy]

3♠

[ONEferBRID]

Why the immediate cuebid ?
What's wrong with : 1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?
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No, I wouldn't open this hand. Give me the ♦J and I will.
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For the given auction, if I now bid 4♦, I'll be writing a thread
entitled: "Who should have bid Spades ?".

[kgr]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

What's wrong with : 1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?

It shows a weak hand and is not forcing?

[655321]

Agree with cue bid and 3♠ now.

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Why the immediate cuebid ?
What's wrong with :  1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?

A scoring technicality called the game bonus?

[gwnn]

Fluffy and 655: does 3♠ really only promise 4? I was quite undecided

[pirate22]

in first pos'n i would open 1 diam but this is not the case lh person dealer

to come to the sequence 1ht--pard x--p--you(2h cue) I would bid 2d,bidding will not die
3cl-- now i assume if pard raies diam i would then bid spades,and we either play 4 spades/5d regards

[andy_h]

3♠. With 5 perhaps we would've been able to bid 2♠ or 4♠ the first time, or we could bid 2♥ then 4♠ or we could bid 3♠ like here and then follow it up with 4. Let's say if LHO had passed 2♥ then partner should definitely bid 2♠ with 4 of them even with 41(53) so we can find our fit asap.

And no, I wouldn't open this first seat at white but change the hand to AQxxx Axxx Txx x then I would.

[gnasher]

Why are people bidding 3♠ rather than 3♥? It seems normal to use a repeat cue-bid to try to find a 4-4 fit, and 3♠ to show five (in a good hand presumably).

[billw55]

hmm how about 4♣. This looks like a big double fit, 6♦ is possible if p has the ♥A or void. Showing the shortness should help p evaluate his club holding for potential wastage.

[pooltuna]

kgr, on Sep 30 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

What's wrong with :  1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?

It shows a weak hand and is not forcing?

exactly something like

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[ONEferBRID]

kgr, on Sep 30 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

What's wrong with :  1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?

It shows a weak hand and is not forcing?

♦Yes, I agree, but do you really think 1♠ will be passed out?
If so, you probably don't need to be any higher.

Is this hand really worth an immediate GF ?

A jump in your longest suit, would show this strength,
but I see it may cause problems for partner as well as Opener.
What do I do after:

1♥-x-p-3♦jump
4♣-4♦-p-?

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Maybe a different rule "violation" is warranted:

1♥-x-p-2♠jump

[gwnn]

2♥ is not a gf.

1♠ shows 0-7.

[pooltuna]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

kgr, on Sep 30 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Sep 30 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

What's wrong with :  1♥ - X - p - 1♠ ... ?

It shows a weak hand and is not forcing?

♦Yes, I agree, but do you really think 1♠ will be passed out?
If so, you probably don't need to be any higher.

Is this hand really worth an immediate GF ?

A jump in your longest suit, would show this strength,
but I see it may cause problems for partner as well as Opener.
What do I do after:

1♥-x-p-3♦jump
4♣-4♦-p-?

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Maybe a different rule "violation" is warranted:

1♥-x-p-2♠jump

I would bid 4♠ before I would bid 2♠

[ONEferBRID]

I found this hand at the following British site:
http://www.dur.ac.uk...vercallresp.htm.

And it looks vaguely familiar, doesn't it ?
( unless you are going to quibble about a 1 point difference ).

( 1♦) - X - ( p ) - 1♠ ( you )

Your hand:
♠ 8 6 4
♥ A J 3 2
♦ 5 4
♣ A T 6 3 2
edit: the site showed the 14 cards above.
        Obviously, one must be removed from one of the "pointy" suits. If it is a Diam, the shape looks remarkably like the hand in this post.... with one hcp less.

...and the following explanation:

"You have 9 points, and two suits. So what’s it worth? The answer is 1♥. Yes you do have a five card club suit, but so what – finding a major suit fit (♥) is much more important.  OK, as illustrated above, you could have no points what-so-ever but you actually hold two aces. Well this is true, and this is as strong a hand as you could have to make this weak bid. If you had much more you would have to find a more aggressive bid…"

Hey, but what do those Brits know anyway ?

[jdonn]

Ty oneferbrid, I now know of a teaching website to not recommend.

2♥ is forcing to suit agreement, so you can get out if the doubler bids a suit and it gets raised to the lowest level.

Our hand (and the hand on the teaching website) are CLEARLY too good to just bid 1, it's not even remotely close and I say that without the slightest exageration. Well, depending which of the 14 cards you take out of the example hand.

I think 3♠ shows 5 now so I bid 3♥, I agree with gnasher. If anything bad happens I can always bid diamonds next.

[ONEferBRID]

jdonn, on Sep 30 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

Ty oneferbrid, I now know of a teaching website to not recommend.

2♥ is forcing to suit agreement, so you can get out if the doubler bids a suit and it gets raised to the lowest level.

Our hand (and the hand on the teaching website) are CLEARLY too good to just bid 1, it's not even remotely close and I say that without the slightest exageration. Well, depending which of the 14 cards you take out of the example hand.

I think 3♠ shows 5 now so I bid 3♥, I agree with gnasher. If anything bad happens I can always bid diamonds next.

If it is "clearly" too good for 1♠, then bid 2♠jump.

At the risk of quoting another instructor, now Manager at OKBridge, in his Double Trouble Series:
**"10-11 hcp, jump bid in your longest suit -- with 2 suits, bid the Major in preference to the minor.

**12+ cuebid the opps suit -- if partner bids your major, jump to game -- if partner bids a minor, you may bid a new suit with the knowledge that partner cannot pass".

[gwnn]

thank you for your brilliant lessons oneferbrid, this was very useful to everybody

[jdonn]

Has anyone mentioned to all these brilliant teachers the risks of insisting upon a suit of Axxx where partner may have just three (gasp) cards?