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The Next Stimulus Check Careful what you buy.

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Posted 2009-February-14, 11:25

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Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely:

If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If you spend it on gasoline it will go to Hugo Chavez, the Arabs and Al Queda
If you purchase a computer it will go to Taiwan.
If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala (unless you buy organic).
If you buy a car it will go to Japan and Korea.
If you purchase prescription drugs it will go to India
If you purchase heroin it will go to the Taliban in Afghanistan
If you give it to a charitable cause, it will go to Nigeria.

And none of it will help the American economy. We need to keep that money here in America. You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic only), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US


Hot damn! Beer, broads, and tattoos. It doesn't get much better than that.
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Posted 2009-February-14, 11:58

The list of approved items didn't include Bridge Master and Robot Races. Buy American!
I just feeel so much stimulation I can hardly stand it all!
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Posted 2009-February-14, 16:47

I heard this morning that the stimulus package is about 5% of the US GDP, whereas the New Deal was only about 2% of the GDP. My thought was that even though things aren't (yet) as bad as the Great Depression, globalization has changed things. Most money the government supplied would go into the US economy back then, but now it has to spend more because so much of it will leak out due to off-shoring.

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Posted 2009-February-14, 17:36

Make Holland Happy! Spent it on cheese and tulips. :D

BTW: the protection of their own market by governments is considered a method that wil prolong the recession.
But it will probably make voters happier.
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Posted 2009-February-14, 19:00

Stimulus Package Q&A:

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Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.


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Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.


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Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. No, they are borrowing it from China. Your children are expected to repay the Chinese.


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Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy
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Q. But isn’t that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.

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Posted 2009-February-15, 05:27

dicklont, on Feb 15 2009, 12:36 AM, said:

: the protection of their own market by governments is considered a method that wil prolong the recession.
But it will probably make voters happier.

absolutely. very important comment.
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Posted 2009-February-15, 08:18

When you replace the housing (read credit) speculative bubble with a consumer spending (read credit) speculative bubble, how is that going to save the day? It is just prolonging the agony and delaying the inevitable.

Face it, the greatest, most innovative society to date has been laid low by the lust for power and money of the PTB. Rather than re-jigging the banks (uh-oh, duck, incoming!) so that they are a service to income earners, we are back to the same old banks that control our lives and dictate our practices through indebtedness. We just changed ropes for chains is all. And they say that slavery is dead...
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Posted 2009-February-15, 08:39

The bad spirit of protectionism is awaking in Europe too. Mr Sarkozy tries to protect french industries on this way, while german goverment knows: Its a road to nowhere, especially for a country which is(was) called "Export World Champion". For this reason Berlin offers a 2500 Euro, subsidy for each buyer of a new car in exchange for turning over the keys of older ones registered nine years ago or more. No matter in which country this new car is produceed.

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Posted 2009-February-15, 08:41

The worst part is that, a century or two from now, historians of the Chinese Hegemony will write of the demise of the West that "they did it to themselves". :) :( B)
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Posted 2009-February-15, 09:22

Aberlour10, on Feb 15 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

The bad spirit of protectionism is awaking in Europe too. Mr Sarkozy tries to protect french industries on this way, while german goverment knows: Its a road to nowhere, especially for a country which is(was) called "Export World Champion". For this reason Berlin offers a 2500 Euro, subsidy for each buyer of a new car in exchange for turning over the keys of older ones registered nine years ago or more. No matter in which country this new car is produceed.

Robert

An interesting idea. I am not certain of the effect. My three previous car purchases have been in 1980, 1990, 2001 so this subsidy, if available to me in around 2012 or so, could be a bonanza for me. A cash prize for doing what I do anyway. A nine year criterion, if adopted here, would mean I would be eligible in 2010. Would this induce me to change my buying style? Could be. Perhaps interestingly, if I did decide to go that route it would reduce my spending for this year. My Honda has about 115K miles on it. Hondas are great, requiring little attention, but around this mileage they need some stuff to guard against future problems. I have been meaning to bring it in, but if I decide to get a new car next year I'll just skip it.

But of course your main point is that the 2500 does not require the car be German, and I highly approve of this. I hope we can all find ways to work together on coping with common problems.
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Posted 2009-February-15, 09:29

Al_U_Card, on Feb 15 2009, 09:18 AM, said:

When you replace the housing (read credit) speculative bubble with a consumer spending (read credit) speculative bubble, how is that going to save the day?  It is just prolonging the agony and delaying the inevitable.

Not all consumer spending is the same. The unemployment benefits for people who have lost their jobs will generally be spent on living expenses rather than on useless stuff.

Putting people to work on fixing bridges, schools, and energy-inefficient buildings is also sensible and not speculative. But clearly the tax cuts are the stupid part of the stimulus bill.

The 100% 'no' vote on the stimulus by House republicans reminded me of the intense and unanimous republican opposition to restoring fiscal responsibility in 1993. The republican leadership insisted that restoring fiscal responsibility would throw the country into a depression: THE BUDGET STRUGGLE; HOUSE PASSES BUDGET PLAN, BACKING CLINTON BY 218-216 AFTER HECTIC MANEUVERING

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Representative Bill Archer of Texas, the ranking Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee, said the tax increases in the Democratic program would amount to "a job-killing poison for the economy."

"Try to soak the rich," Mr. Archer continued, "and you drown middle-income men and women."

But the Democrats held their ground. Representative John Lewis of Georgia said the Republicans were not seriously interested in governing. "They just said no," he asserted.

At the outset, Representative Martin Olav Sabo, the Minnesota Democrat who heads the Budget Committee, told his colleagues: "This package represents the opportunity of a lifetime to turn this country around. There will never be a better time to do it. It will get harder, not easier, if we put it off."

Clinton had to work very hard to overcome the fear-mongering tactics of the republicans who wanted to keep gorging at the federal trough.

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Mr. Clinton mostly cleared most of his schedule so he could spend the day on the telephone calling Representatives. Treasury Secretary Lloyd Bentsen spent most of the day in the Capitol, meeting with recalcitrant Democrats. So did Leon E. Panetta, the budget director, and Thomas F. McLarty 3d, the White House chief of staff.

A Rose Garden ceremony honoring teachers was delayed for about 15 minutes, and the President could be seen through the French doors on the telephone in the Oval Office.

"What I keep trying to tell all the members is that this is the beginning of the process, not the end," Mr. Clinton said. "There is a whole lot more work to be done. We've just been here seven months. Finally, they've got somebody here who's serious about responsible budgeting instead of just talking about it."

Because he was serious, Clinton forced through a program that balanced new taxes with spending controls.

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But beyond the tax increases are some important spending cuts.

A freeze would be placed for the next five years on all Government programs financed by annual appropriations. That means that if spending is increased, say, on education, it must be reduced for some other program.

All taxes and entitlement programs -- like Social Security, Medicare, welfare and farm price supports, which pay benefits to everyone who is eligible for them -- would be on a pay-as-you-go basis. That means that if benefits are raised or taxes cut, they must be offset by raising another tax or cutting another benefit.

Far from throwing the US into a depression, Clinton led the country into prosperity and left the US in a position to eliminate its debt entirely. The fiscal position was so sound that only an administration of idiots and crooks could possibly screw it up.

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Posted 2009-February-15, 09:51

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Statistics released Thursday by the European Union's Eurostat agency reveal that production plummeted across Europe at the end of 2008. The figures announced were far worse than analysts had anticipated. Industrial production declined across Europe by 2.6 percent in December compared to the previous month. On a year-to-year basis, European production has slumped 12 percent. The European Central Bank (ECB) also issued a warning that the recession gripping Europe will not be short-lived. Rather, it will be a "long-lasting and clear downturn," the ECB said.

The response of the individual European nations to the growing crisis has been to embrace a raft of protectionist measures. Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi recently warned appliance maker Indesit SpA not to transfer production and jobs to Poland, and in Britain, trade unions and politicians are demanding "British jobs for British workers."


No globalization? I am shocked, yes shocked, that these countries will not sacrifice the livelihoods of their citizens for the global good.
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Posted 2009-February-15, 10:23

you could always put the money in a bank.
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Posted 2009-April-07, 14:12

kenberg, on Feb 15 2009, 10:22 AM, said:

Aberlour10, on Feb 15 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

The bad spirit of protectionism is awaking in Europe too. Mr Sarkozy tries to protect french industries on this way, while german goverment knows: Its a road to nowhere, especially for a country which is(was) called "Export World Champion". For this reason Berlin offers a 2500 Euro, subsidy for each buyer of a new car in exchange for turning over the keys of older ones registered nine years ago or more. No matter in which country this new car is produceed.

Robert

An interesting idea. I am not certain of the effect. My three previous car purchases have been in 1980, 1990, 2001 so this subsidy, if available to me in around 2012 or so, could be a bonanza for me. A cash prize for doing what I do anyway. A nine year criterion, if adopted here, would mean I would be eligible in 2010. Would this induce me to change my buying style? Could be. Perhaps interestingly, if I did decide to go that route it would reduce my spending for this year. My Honda has about 115K miles on it. Hondas are great, requiring little attention, but around this mileage they need some stuff to guard against future problems. I have been meaning to bring it in, but if I decide to get a new car next year I'll just skip it.

But of course your main point is that the 2500 does not require the car be German, and I highly approve of this. I hope we can all find ways to work together on coping with common problems.

So...2 months have gone...and whole Germany seems to be in a "buy-a-new-car-fever", there are over 1 000 000 requests for this 2500€ subsidy in only 10 weeks and the goverment expects another million in next months.
I have read here, US-administration is interested in this venture, asked about german experiences etc.

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Posted 2009-April-07, 14:22

We are holding off on buying a new car until we see how this plays out.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 09:49

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We are holding off on buying a new car until we see how this plays out.


I think it was a very bad idea. I do not happen to be the owner of a 9-year old car, why would I want to give people who DO have such a car € 2500 for buying a new one?

I got an old TV set (more than 9 years old). I want to buy a new one too, but no help from the government. And while we're at it, I still have an old ZX to trash - give me a new PC!
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Posted 2009-April-08, 09:59

There are thousands, perhaps millions, of Americans who find themselves in the unenviable position of having had their mortgages foreclosed as a result of the shady practices of the lending industry that led to this mess in the first place. They aren't getting any bailouts.

I do have a nine year old car. My original plan was to buy a new one at the ten year age point - but it looks now like I won't be able to afford it. A "bailout" would be nice, but I don't expect it — and if it means more government interference with the economy, I don't want it. I'll walk. Or take the bus. Probably have to move, too. What the hell, that's life.
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Posted 2009-April-08, 10:38

In all of these "methods" (gimmicks? frauds?) the question to ask is: "Would I mortgage (ouch) my future (in terms of tax dollars that I will have to pay and therefore not have available for other potentially more necessary things) to do this?"

This money is coming from your future (and your kids judging by the $ amounts) to pay off past mistakes that you weren't even responsible for but that others benefitted from.

If the union bosses dealt with shady characters and spent their strike fund war-chest on high-living and unwise (illegal) practices, would you not expect to have them removed from their positions of control and prosecuted after investigation for unlawful activities? Why do we hold bankers et al in higher esteem? Could it be that they are the ones actually making the rules thru their influence on the legislative system?

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Posted 2009-April-08, 16:09

What's the alternative, letting everything totally fail?

Couldn't you say the same thing about many other disasters? For instance, New Orleans was devastated by Katrina because the levees weren't built well enough. Should we not send them federal aid because someone cut corners in the past?

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Posted 2009-April-08, 21:01

The army corps of engineers may have fraudulently constructed the levees. That could be investigated. Someone (Bush admin) decided to not reinforce the levees in 2003...

The question is not whether the situation is critical (they robbed us blind so the coffers are empty) nor how to fix the problem (may be needed but only time will tell. The issue is whether the guilty should get off scot-free.

Fear is a stong motivator but it should instill a desire to correct completely and not to leave the foxes in the henhouse....for the next time.
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