[MarkDean]

Scoring: MP

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Opps silent, decided not to preempt due to bad heart spots:

P 1C
1H 2D
2H 3C
?

2H was 5+, forcing one round
3C is NF.
What is your call?

[jdaming]

Opener reversed showing 16+ we have 8 pts, a singleton in the unbid suit, and a double fit with partner why wouldn't we be bidding our game?

P.S. I would preempt that.

[gwnn]

clear preempt. clear GF.

[jdonn]

Even having a slam right now is possible. I think I would splinter 4♠, in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

[kfay]

My hand is awesome. I don't know what I would do. Maybe splinter 4♠.

By the way not preempting is totally lame.

[SlickRicky]

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

Hi Josh,

I don't understand this comment, could you please clarify? My understanding is that 2H is not limiting your hand at all, and could be bid with as much as you would pass with to begin with.

Anyway, I agree with your point that this hand is huge and that slam is possible, for example partner can have Ax x AKQx KQxxxx. However, it seems precipitous to rule out 4H as we have not yet showed a 6 card suit, let alone such a good one (relative to a non 2H opener). I prefer to bid 4C to allow partner to bid 4H if he wants, and otherwise to try for slam with all the hands where slam can make (afterall, 3C is NF, so his hand is limited).

Ricky

[MarkDean]

I am pretty surprised by the 4S votes.

Would you just bid slam/make a grand try with x Axxxx JTx Kxxx?

[jdonn]

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

Hi Josh,

I don't understand this comment, could you please clarify?

......

Anyway, I agree with your point that this hand is huge

uhhhhhh

MarkDean, on Sep 25 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

I am pretty surprised by the 4S votes.

Would you just bid slam/make a grand try with x Axxxx JTx Kxxx?

YES! Think of hands partner is likely to have. Better than minimum with 4-6 in the minors, and likely spade length (silent opponents) and therefore short hearts? Sign me up! Ax x KQxx Axxxxx would be slam, and that's not enough for his bid so a grand is certainly in the picture with that. Points shmoints...

[SlickRicky]

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

Hi Josh,

I don't understand this comment, could you please clarify?

......

Anyway, I agree with your point that this hand is huge

uhhhhhh

Hi Josh,

I suppose I did not make my question obvious enough, so I will try again.

Your comment about the 2H rebid seems superfluous, as the 2H rebid limits your hand no more than the initial pass. Did you mean to imply anything about the 2H rebid, or were you merely writing some extra words?

Ricky

[cherdano]

2♥ doesn't limit the hand, but it is less encouraging than showing your support right away with 3♣.

[SlickRicky]

cherdano, on Sep 25 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

2♥ doesn't limit the hand, but it is less encouraging than showing your support right away with 3♣.

Hi Cherdano,

Thanks. With 5 hearts and 4 clubs would you tend to rebid 2H or 3C?

Ricky

[MarkDean]

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

Hi Josh,

I don't understand this comment, could you please clarify?

......

Anyway, I agree with your point that this hand is huge

uhhhhhh

MarkDean, on Sep 25 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

I am pretty surprised by the 4S votes.

Would you just bid slam/make a grand try with x Axxxx JTx Kxxx?

YES! Think of hands partner is likely to have. Better than minimum with 4-6 in the minors, and likely spade length (silent opponents) and therefore short hearts? Sign me up! Ax x KQxx Axxxxx would be slam, and that's not enough for his bid so a grand is certainly in the picture with that. Points shmoints...

I agree that slam is likely opposite that hand, and that if I had to pick the contract with my next call, I would pick 6C, but wouldn't you want to involve partner to stop when it is not there?

KQx void KQxx AQJxxx?

Does 3C necessarily show 46 what does partner do with Jxx x AKQx AKQxx?

[cherdano]

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

cherdano, on Sep 25 2008, 04:03 PM, said:

2♥ doesn't limit the hand, but it is less encouraging than showing your support right away with 3♣.

With 5 hearts and 4 clubs would you tend to rebid 2H or 3C?

I would tend to rebid 3♣ (unless too weak to GF). In fact with the example hand given upthread (x Axxxx JTx Kxxx) I would raise clubs for sure.

[jdonn]

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

SlickRicky, on Sep 25 2008, 03:49 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 25 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

in the context of rebidding 2♥ this hand is HUGE.

Hi Josh,

I don't understand this comment, could you please clarify?

......

Anyway, I agree with your point that this hand is huge

uhhhhhh

Hi Josh,

I suppose I did not make my question obvious enough, so I will try again.

Your comment about the 2H rebid seems superfluous, as the 2H rebid limits your hand no more than the initial pass. Did you mean to imply anything about the 2H rebid, or were you merely writing some extra words?

Ricky

Ok, I just didn't understand how you say you don't understand my post, then immediately say you agree with my post. You are right that 2♥ doesn't limit the hand at all. I mean the hand is huge for a minimum range 2♥ bid (6-9 or whatever you want to call it). I didn't mean to imply 2♥ promises a minimum range hand, although I see that's what it could look like if someone ignored the context altogether.

[han]

Does 3C necessarily show 46 what does partner do with Jxx x AKQx AKQxx?

2NT, thanks for the jack.

[mikeh]

This looks like an easy splinter over 3♣.

BTW, I would not have dreamed of passing in first or second chair, but maybe this hand shows weak twos have a downside. Many pairs can't even respond with a forcing 3♣ to a weak 2Major! However, had I opened a weak 2♥ (as I would) and had I heard a natural, one round force 3♣ (as I usually but not always play), a splinter would be at least as good a description then as it is now, so maybe that is a wash.

[MarkDean]

Thanks for the responses.

I found this hand instructive: I am probably too stubborn to be convinced that I should make a slam try with this hand, but have come around to seeing I should GF.

Already knew I preempt less than most, so no surprise there really.

[mike777]

mikeh, on Sep 25 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

This looks like an easy splinter over 3♣.

BTW, I would not have dreamed of passing in first or second chair, but maybe this hand shows weak twos have a downside. Many pairs can't even respond with a forcing 3♣ to a weak 2Major! However, had I opened a weak 2♥ (as I would) and had I heard a natural, one round force 3♣ (as I usually but not always play), a splinter would be at least as good a description then as it is now, so maybe that is a wash.

ouch

As I cannot bid a natural 3c over a weak 2h opening(3c shows spades) that responder hand may be a tough one to bid.

Mark, can you please post the responder hand ty.

[MarkDean]

Parnter held :

Axx
void
AKxx
AKxxxx (Do not rememer if he had T/9 of clubs, or 9 of diamonds).

[jdonn]

han, on Sep 25 2008, 05:05 PM, said:

Does 3C necessarily show 46 what does partner do with Jxx x AKQx AKQxx?

2NT, thanks for the jack.

3145 with no bid can bid 2♠.

Please don't ask me what 1345 with no bid does when his partner is rebidding spades