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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:03

Practice bidding, IMPs assumed.

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J9xx
AJxxx

1S - 2C
2H - 2NT
3S - ??

Agree with the auction to date? What now?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:17

I would bid 4S.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:33

This is almost card-for-card the exact problem that two friends of mine faced a while back. Responder bid 4♥ and was properly beat down by the cigarette-smoking reviewers post-mortem.

Two options exist. Support spades or bid 3NT. Anything above 3NT agrees spades. With a stiff spade that is not an honors, any cue seems absurdly aggressive. Three covers is nice, but not enough.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:36

So Ken, now that you have narrowed it down to 3NT or 4S, what do you bid?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:44

Interesting question. IMO, 2NT expressed two things. First, at least a spade singleton. Second, NT tolerance. So, I could bid 3NT, expecting partner to convert if that is right.

However, I have a serious COV in hearts that disturbs me, and an outside Ace looks right for the major contract. If my pips were deeper in the minors, I might try 3NT. But, J932 and AJ432, or the functional equivalent, seems to have 4♠ stand out.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 10:57

Agree with the auction and I will now bid 4S. Looking at my HAK it's probably more likely partner will have some decent spades, and 3NT may not go well if we also need to knock out a spade guard. Diamond 9 is calling out to me though.. Anyway, more reason to bid 4S are my AKA cards for partner.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 12:29

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Posted 2008-July-13, 15:15

4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 18:17

skaeran, on Jul 13 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me.

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Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play?
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Posted 2008-July-13, 18:34

han, on Jul 13 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

Practice bidding, IMPs assumed.

x
AKx
J9xx
AJxxx

1S - 2C
2H - 2NT
3S - ??

Agree with the auction to date? What now?

1) If we open ten/eleven counts with a 6 card suit, say AQ9xxx then I would try 1nt over 1s.
AQ9xxx...Txxx....Axx...void or
AQ9xxx.....Jxxx....Axx... void or
other types....

2) given OP I bid 4s now but I thought it was a tough hand.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 21:33

han, on Jul 14 2008, 04:03 AM, said:

Practice bidding, IMPs assumed.

x
AKx
J9xx
AJxxx

1S - 2C
2H - 2NT
3S - ??

Agree with the auction to date? What now?

Disagree with the auction.

Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:30

kenrexford, on Jul 14 2008, 02:17 AM, said:

skaeran, on Jul 13 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me.

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Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play?

Yes, I consider 4♥ to be passable here.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:31

Cascade, on Jul 13 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Disagree with the auction.

Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp.

Han didn't state it, but I'm sure 2♣ as GF was implied.

I agree with the auction to date and would bid 4♠ now.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:39

Cascade, on Jul 13 2008, 09:33 PM, said:

han, on Jul 14 2008, 04:03 AM, said:

Practice bidding, IMPs assumed.

x
AKx
J9xx
AJxxx

1S - 2C
2H - 2NT
3S - ??

Agree with the auction to date? What now?

Disagree with the auction.

Why would I bid a non-forcing 2NT with 13 hcp.

This is the A/E forum, only beginners play 2N as non-forcing.
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Posted 2008-July-13, 22:45

skaeran, on Jul 13 2008, 11:30 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Jul 14 2008, 02:17 AM, said:

skaeran, on Jul 13 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

4♠. Partner can't stand several round of diamonds in 4♥, and 3NT looks wrong to me.

(Willies)

Is there an implicit suggestion that 4♥ would be to play?

Yes, I consider 4♥ to be passable here.

I was going to say the same thing but I really didn't want to start a discussion with Ken about it and that seemed inevitable. Now you have let the cat out of the bag though.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 01:39

I think 4♥ should be a cue bid agreeing spades. The given hand is the only type of hand where we might consider a natural 4♥, but everyone here is bidding either 3NT or 4♠. Apparently we don't need a natural 4♥ bid anyway.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 05:31

gnasher, on Jul 14 2008, 02:39 AM, said:

I think 4♥ should be a cue bid agreeing spades. The given hand is the only type of hand where we might consider a natural 4♥, but everyone here is bidding either 3NT or 4♠. Apparently we don't need a natural 4♥ bid anyway.

ding ding ding ding ding!
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Posted 2008-July-14, 06:04

han, on Jul 13 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

Practice bidding, IMPs assumed.

x_AKx_J9xx_AJxxx

1S - 2C;2H - 2N;3S - ??

Agree with the auction to date? What now?

I do not like the auction thus far.

Call me a shape purist, but if I have a GF shapely hand, IMHO I should bid it that way.

1S-2C;2H-3D; implies 45 in the minors and warns Opener that I could very well have singleton in one of his suits.

The given sequence
1= implies more tolerance for both NT and ♠'s than I have.
2= rushes to make me Declarer in NT when it is far from clear I should be if that is our best strain.

If the auction then progresses 1S-2C;2H-3D;3S-?? Opener is implying that they do not like NT (and of course that they do not have 5 ♥'s).

So you grit your teeth and pick your poison between your two most likely games, 3N or 4H in your Moysian.
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Posted 2008-July-14, 07:23

4♠
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Posted 2008-July-14, 07:41

Somewhat surprised that everybody bids 4♠ - I may bid 4♠ as well but I consider it close.

Does partner promise six good spades? Wouldn't AJxxxx be enough?
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