[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 Pass  Pass  1♣    1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  2♦
 3♣    3♦    Pass  5♦
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Nice hand +950 but not top board, I didnt have the nerve to XX

[ArtK78]

If you redouble there is a chance (perhaps small) that they will find a "winning" save in 5♠ or 6♣ (winning here is defined as -800 or less).

[han]

Not sure what your question is. 1H followed by 2D is too timid I think.

[Echognome]

Lucky not to play in 1H. Why didn't South start with 2NT or even 4NT? I don't like 1S on the North hand at all, but it certainly worked out well!

[han]

I think 1S is automatic.

[matmat]

someone forgot to bid their spades, probably lho.

[Echognome]

han, on Apr 11 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

I think 1S is automatic.

Discussed so many times. Funnily enough I was in the camp that said it showed 4 until I was convinced by several others that it should show 5. Hardly automatic!

[han]

I bet I wasn't one of those several others. I refuse to bid a wereaglean 1NT here so I think 1S is automatic. For you it may not be.

[mike777]

jillybean2, on Apr 11 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ KJ32 ♥ J3 ♦ A765 ♣ T87 ♠ 7 ♥ AQ6542 ♦ KQT832 ♣

West  North East  South

 Pass  Pass  1♣    1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  2♦
 3♣    3♦    Pass  5♦
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Nice hand +950 but not top board, I didnt have the nerve to XX

I would have bid 2nt(unusual for 2 lower unbid) and then over partner's 3d bid 5d giving up on slam. I would be too chicken to try a club cuebid which just may lead to confusion.

[Echognome]

han, on Apr 11 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

I bet I wasn't one of those several others. I refuse to bid a wereaglean 1NT here so I think 1S is automatic. For you it may not be.

I don't have a problem with 1♠. In fact I view that whether 1♠ shows 4+ for you or 5+ for you is a p'ship agreement. And that even if it shows 5+ or that partner will play you for 5+, that it may still be right on the hand. However, I think "automatic" is an overbid. You have clarified, however, that it's automatic for you in your partnerships. It's all an aside (that you started ) from the initial problem of the 1♥ and 2♦ bids.

Edit: Ok. I guess I started it by mentioning 1♠.

[gwnn]

two words for south: 4 N

[pclayton]

Fine with 1S. I'm not passing 1H.

Not fine with 2D; I think 3D is clear. Yes it's forcing

[skjaeran]

han, on Apr 11 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

I think 1S is automatic.

Agree.

[mike777]

skaeran, on Apr 12 2008, 12:40 AM, said:

han, on Apr 11 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

I think 1S is automatic.

Agree.

automatic?


I would have passed one heart but I guess we are told that is very wrong.
Granted I would never, never play partner for this hand though.

I could understand 2h here, I understand pass, I understand one spade,

if one spade is 100 % wow

[hatchett]

I agree with Han (and Harald)

[skjaeran]

mike777, on Apr 12 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

skaeran, on Apr 12 2008, 12:40 AM, said:

han, on Apr 11 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

I think 1S is automatic.

Agree.

automatic?


I would have passed one heart but I guess we are told that is very wrong.
Granted I would never, never play partner for this hand though.

I could understand 2h here, I understand pass, I understand one spade,

if one spade is 100 % wow

With wide range overcalls, advancing is automatic for me on this hand.

I'd never raise with Jx support. Since we almost always overcall 1♥ with 4-5 in the majors, we need to bid spades here with four of them, to be able to find the 4-4 fit. You might chose to have suit quality requirements for bidding 1♠ on four, but I can in fact make the bid on four small (seldom occuring though).

[Cascade]

pclayton, on Apr 12 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

Fine with 1S. I'm not passing 1H.

Not fine with 2D; I think 3D is clear. Yes it's forcing

I agree with 1♠.

I am not convinced that 3♦ is forcing. Well at least not for everyone. I think it would depend on exactly how strong your simple overcalls can be.

I would have thought that in a standard limited overcall style that a jump just shows a maximum overcall.

[Cascade]

Echognome, on Apr 12 2008, 09:25 AM, said:

han, on Apr 11 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

I think 1S is automatic.

Discussed so many times. Funnily enough I was in the camp that said it showed 4 until I was convinced by several others that it should show 5. Hardly automatic!

What are the arguments for this showing five.

One of the biggest problems with simple overcalls is finding a 4=4 fit in a second suit. This is easily overcome when partner bids a four-card suit especially at the one-level.

I mean after a 1♥ overcall how else are we going to find a 4=4 spade fit if responder does not bid them. Of course I know that sometimes opener will be strong enough to "reverse" into spades after some other response.

[SchTsch]

gwnn, on Apr 11 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

two words for south: 4 N

Why 4N and not 2N?

Why cannot 4♥ be a contract we need to be in?

[pclayton]

Cascade, on Apr 12 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

I am not convinced that 3♦ is forcing. Well at least not for everyone. I think it would depend on exactly how strong your simple overcalls can be.

I would have thought that in a standard limited overcall style that a jump just shows a maximum overcall.

If 1♠ is at least 'constructive' (many play it as forcing), then why wouldn't you want 3♦ to be forcing if it shows a max overcall? I think most cap a max overcall at roughly a 17 (+ or -).

While this hand is a lot less than that, the playing strength argues for some strong action.