[Apollo81]

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Q1087542

MPs none vul

(1♠)-2♥-(p)-?

(once some replies come I will post what happens after various bids, there may be a 2nd decision in some cases)

[helene_t]

Pass. For 3NT, P would need a double stop in spades unless clubs are running. I gamble that that is not the case, given that I won't find out anyway, and besides the 3-level is not safe.

[miguelm]

I will assume I am playing with my typical partners who usually make sound 2nd level overcalls.

3C

[pclayton]

Pass unless 2♠ shows clubs.

3♣ is forcing for me.

[jdonn]

3♣ whether forcing or not. WTP?

[jtfanclub]

pclayton, on Feb 22 2008, 11:22 AM, said:

3♣ is forcing for me.

For me, it's a 'reality check', forcing to game if partner had 11+, passable if partner was getting frisky (eg. xx AKJxxx xx xxx).

I'm still not strong enough.

[Cascade]

Very very awkward.

3♣ is forcing and after that we will be easily too high if partner is minimum for 2♥.

I have long held a view that doesn't come up often. If I am stuck for a bid after partner's two-level overcall assume it is based on a six-card suit if that helps.

Here therefore the only bid that fits my range is a heart raise. I might try 3♥.

[rogerclee]

jdonn, on Feb 22 2008, 09:28 AM, said:

3♣ whether forcing or not. WTP?

This is my reaction as well.

[Halo]

Pass.

Oh..

I think two trumps is useful support for partner's overcall. Speculation on a Q10 suit is not attractive.

I don't make a lot of aasumptions about partner's maximum space consuming simple overcall NV at MPs.

[655321]

Agree with 3♣WTP

[kenrexford]

I like to have eight clubs to bid 3♣.

I'll answer the "WTP?"

There seems on its face to be no problem. You have seven clubs (that's nice), and you have a landing zone for partner (two hearts with him). You have two assured tricks no matter what (the diamonds), and you have a fairly likely third trick in a heart contract (diamond ruff), with a kicker that the heart pip is the 10.

The problem, then?

People are apparently wanting to make 2/1 overcalls with hands that should result in a not-even-close pass. That's the problem.

[Halo]

kenrexford, on Feb 22 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

People are apparently wanting to make 2/1 overcalls with hands that should result in a not-even-close pass. That's the problem.

Interesting argument.

Have to say that my impression of competition requirements among most of the forum's denizens has been pretty close to tram tickets.

I will quietly monitor comparable situations in the posts and see if I have deluded myself.

[Apollo81]

Part 2: LHO makes the cheapest possible spade bid, partner and RHO pass, your call

[Cascade]

Apollo81, on Feb 23 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

Part 2: LHO makes the cheapest possible spade bid, partner and RHO pass, your call

Partner passes even if I raise hearts?

[helene_t]

If I passed and LHO bid 2♠, I bid 3♣ now.

If I bid 3♥ I double 3♠.

[jtfanclub]

Apollo81, on Feb 22 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

Part 2: LHO makes the cheapest possible spade bid, partner and RHO pass, your call

I pass the first time, 3♣ the second time.

Edit- sorry, wrong forum. I'll shut up now.

[jdonn]

Having bid 3♣ the first time we are only forced to 3♥ as I play so partner's pass over 3♠ is not forcing. So I have an easy pass, expecting down 1 as the most common result.

[rogerclee]

I bid 3♣ the first time. I'm not so keen to defend w/w at MPs undoubled, and my hand is completely unsuitable for a double, since I'm not even going to get to lead.

I think I'll try 4♣ for better or worse.

[Apollo81]

Cascade, on Feb 22 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Feb 23 2008, 01:08 PM, said:

Part 2: LHO makes the cheapest possible spade bid, partner and RHO pass, your call

Partner passes even if I raise hearts?

Yes.

[kenrexford]

What's the worst hand partner could have?

Some garbage like ♠Jxx ♥KQ10xxx ♦Jx ♣KJ?

Seems to be.

If partner had cause, I think he'd double now.

I also pass, expecting a one-trick set frequently, as well, but not frequently enough to double this.