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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:30


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  1
 Dbl   1    Pass  2
 Dbl   RDbl  2    2
 3    Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Comments on the bidding please?
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:39

I might have bid 1 with that suit and a different hand type ( length). With this hand redouble seems clear to me.

I'd expect to set 3 looking at the north hand only. At MP I'd consider this an obvious double. At IMPs I think it's more doubtful, but I still think I'd double. On a trump lead it looks like 2 down.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:46

I would bid 3N over 3H, AQT of hearts and QJ8x of diamonds will provide good stoppers and Qx of clubs will hopefully enable partner to run some clubs. North has technically "bid their hand" with a redouble though and I wouldn't really criticize a B/I for passing as 3N is a bit of a shot, but it is important to realize how good Qx of clubs is, and how nice the heart holding is (not too unlikely KJ of hearts are on).

Doubling is also an option with 2.5 trump tricks and some diamond values opposite a partner with 9 black cards but could be a disaster. Will usually end in 300 probably so I like it better than pass.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:52

skaeran, on Oct 26 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

I might have bid 1 with that suit and a different hand type ( length). With this hand redouble seems clear to me.

1 when?
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:55

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 04:52 PM, said:

skaeran, on Oct 26 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

I might have bid 1 with that suit and a different hand type ( length). With this hand redouble seems clear to me.

1 when?

He means over 1C X he would XX.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:58

I would have bid 2S with the south hand instead of 2C but I would not expect B/I players to do that.

I would have doubled 3H with the north hand but maybe Justin is right that 3NT is better. I wouldn't have considered passing.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 16:33

jillybean2, on Oct 26 2007, 04:30 PM, said:


Dealer: North
Vul: None
Scoring: IMP
T752
AQT
QJ82
Q6
AQ4
83
K4
K98742
 


West  North East  South

 -     Pass  Pass  1
 Dbl   1    Pass  2
 Dbl   RDbl  2    2
 3    Pass  Pass  Pass
 


Comments on the bidding please?

Great post.

I think it would be helpful and interesting to hear why north did not bid double or 3nt? What did north think south had for their bidding?

I am guessing North thought south had much less, much much less?
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Posted 2007-October-26, 18:22

Man, I hate the 1 bid by North. 4 to the T and the dbl often has 4. I'd re-dble with North's hand. I also would bid 3NT over 3 in IMPs. In MP I'm not sure if I'd dble 3 for penalty or bid 3NT.
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Posted 2007-October-27, 01:45

I wonder if N's final pass is "forcing", i.e. South can pass only if s/he has a funny 3rd-seat opening (which the 2 rebid tends to deny but you never know). As Justin said, N has (almost) told their hand with rdbl. At matchpoints I would have said that S cannot pass 3 but must dbl as the default action. At IMPs maybe one could say that it doesn't look like you have anything to protect.

But if N's final pass is forcing, it's not the right call since s/he doesn't want S to bid 3. I would dbl. No objections against 3N, it just didn't occur to me.

I agree that N should not bid 1. Usually, the modern trend is to bid a 4-card major instead of redbl, but this is just the perfect hand for rdbl with such a bad suit and willingness to defend anything.

1 is not terrible, though, nor are any other calls in the auction.
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Posted 2007-October-27, 02:38

What does N's XX mean after they could not find it in the first round?

Although I would be tempted to double, I would play safe in teams.
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Posted 2007-October-27, 03:16

DWM, on Oct 27 2007, 10:38 AM, said:

What does N's XX mean after they could not find it in the first round?

Something like this hand, but then preferably with better and/or longer spades. 5440 would be ideal, I suppose.
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Posted 2007-October-27, 04:10

North should start with a redouble and he should have bid 3NT. After the 2 rebid Q is a golden card and there should be 5 or 6 tricks in clubs, 2 in hearts en with a minimum opening this hand should produce 2 more tricks. Any danger of losing 5 tricks before that? Spades and diamonds seem to be properly defended. So 3NT it is.
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Posted 2007-October-28, 00:14

Rather than bidding a garbage 4 card suit, N should redouble to show 10 or more HCP and typically a balanced hand without good support for opener's suit.

Opener should consider a 2 call since N usually has something better in than Txxx, but 2 is OK but I'd like a bit better suit.

N's pass of 3H is simply really poor. N must either whack 3 or take a shot at 3NT which seems a good bet with at least a double stop and a fitting Q for opener's rebid suit and the other two suits under some control.

I'd probably take what seems to be a sure plus and X 3H with AQT.

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