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Responding to a T.O. Double IMPs red vs. white

Poll: UR bid? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

UR bid?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1 Spade (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

  3. 2 Clubs (11 votes [57.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.89%

  4. 2 Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 2 Spades (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  6. 3 Clubs (4 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  7. Other (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

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#1 User is offline   jdeegan 

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Posted 2007-October-25, 15:55

Scoring: IMP

1-Dbl-Pass-????

:) Simple problem, but so many choices.
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Posted 2007-October-25, 16:14

2C, hope to bid spades later.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 02:19

2, hope to bid clubs later :D
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Posted 2007-October-26, 09:54

:P Isn't the north hand a little too good for a non-jump reponse? The diamond void could be HUGE. The actual hand:

Scoring: IMP

1-Dbl-P-1
2-2-3
P-P-P


3 down one was not a success as a vul game was available in either major suit. I was the hapless north. Personally, I don't mind doing the bidding for both sides of the table, some say it's the best feature of my game. Just let me know what the ground rules are.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:00

Interesting hand.

I don't like the initial double. While there are hands where I would double with 4-5 in the majors, I prefer 1H when I have shortness in the unbid minor.

I prefer 2C with the southhand. I don't think the hand is good enough for 2S but it is likely that 2C doesn't end the auction. If I can bid a free 2S next then that gives a pretty accurate description of this hand as with 4-5 I would usually bid spades first.

Having bid 1S initially south needs to make another call in this auction.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:10

Agree with Justin, I'd respond 2 too.

Also agree with Han, I'd overcall 1 with the north hand rather than double.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:34

Late to the scene here.

2 looks clear to me. Even without looking at the hand diagram, the obvious question is "where are the diamonds"? We are void and pard is supposedly short. LHO either has a lot of diamonds, or pard is rather strong.

Bottom line - we are going to get another shot at this hand and we can afford to show our suits.

I don't care for double with a 4=5=3=1 15 count, but this is partly a matter of style. Its also strange for RHO to pass the double with Kxxx / K.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 10:53

:P I can't argue with those who would have overcalled 1 the first time - it seemed close to me - only the J10 of and other good spot cards convinced me that doubling first, then bidding hearts over partner's club response was the lesser of two evils.

Justin's non-jump 2 response works out OK. The bidding will go 2-2-2 (by me), and we are off and running to our vul game.

As to why responder sandbagged his two kings and 4 card diamond support, I have no idea. It was a BBO pairs game, and my supposed 'Advanced' pick up partner (from ACBL territory) did most things well enough, just not this one.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 13:43

jdeegan, on Oct 26 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

;) I can't argue with those who would have overcalled 1 the first time - it seemed close to me - only the J10 of and other good spot cards convinced me that doubling first, then bidding hearts over partner's club response was the lesser of two evils.

Justin's non-jump 2 response works out OK. The bidding will go 2-2-2 (by me), and we are off and running to our vul game.

As to why responder sandbagged his two kings and 4 card diamond support, I have no idea. It was a BBO pairs game, and my supposed 'Advanced' pick up partner (from ACBL territory) did most things well enough, just not this one.

Your adv pickup PD's pass of 3 is simply very poor with that hand.

As for 1 vs dbl, I don't mind doubling, but you risk getting buried by PD in or that PD may think you have more when you rebid 2 showing a hand too good to overcall. However, after overcalling 1 you may lose the suit.

That being said, I slightly prefer to overcall.

I'd respond 2 to the double with PD's hand.

Your PD gets the blame on this hand as passing out 3 is awful.

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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:13

1. I prefer 1 to double (What would you bid if partner responds 3 to your t/o?).
2. Over double 2a and hope to bid some spades later.
3. Passing 3 instead of bidding game is just poor bridge.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 15:28

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Posted 2007-October-26, 19:59

I'm even later than Phil :P

I truly hate the double. And one reason I hate it is that this seems to be a clear 2 call... since my shortness in diamonds combined with my modest high card count lead me to expect to have a chance to bid 2 next (as do others, of course). That would be a near perfect description of my hand, but partners who double with that North hand don't allow their partners to play bridge. If double is the systemic bid, then 1 has to be the systemic response, and that just seems sooo wrong.
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Posted 2007-October-26, 20:15

I also hate double. Prefer an off-shape 2 Michaels call or 1.
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