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How many?

Poll: How many diamonds do you bid? (42 member(s) have cast votes)

How many diamonds do you bid?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1D (1 votes [2.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.38%

  3. 2D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3D (1 votes [2.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.38%

  5. 4D (7 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  6. 5D (31 votes [73.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.81%

  7. 6D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 7D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Psych something (2 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

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#21 User is offline   Free 

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Posted 2006-June-04, 08:13

It could also be a preempt... :blink: Then my partner should alert almost every bid and say "hey, he might have a completely different hand type, about 0.1% of the time". Over strong openings I may agree, but not in every situation.

Over a strong 1 or any other strong bid, psychs are very common, it's general knowledge. I also think our CC states 'frequent psychs' over strong 2 openings...
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Posted 2006-June-04, 08:25

Free, on Jun 4 2006, 05:13 PM, said:

It could also be a preempt...  :blink:  Then my partner should alert almost every bid and say "hey, he might have a completely different hand type, about 0.1% of the time".  Over strong openings I may agree, but not in every situation.

Over a strong 1 or any other strong bid, psychs are very common, it's general knowledge.  I also think our CC states 'frequent psychs' over strong 2 openings...

The issue is not whether or not psyches are general knowledge

Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic and must be alerted...
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Posted 2006-June-04, 10:07

hrothgar, on Jun 4 2006, 03:25 PM, said:

Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic are must be alerted...

It's also common sense not to push opps to the good contract, just for fun... :blink:
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Posted 2006-June-04, 10:58

Free, on Jun 4 2006, 07:07 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Jun 4 2006, 03:25 PM, said:

Once partner is systemically protecting you by not raising Hearts with a "super-fit", the method has become systemic are must be alerted...

It's also common sense not to push opps to the good contract, just for fun... :blink:

I'm not arguing about the effectiveness of the methods. Nor do I believe that these methods are illegal or unethical if properly disclosed. However, I suspect that you'd run into some real problems with an appeals committee if you overcalled 4 with the hand in question and partner failed to raise with a "super-fit". I'd rule against you in a second and I'm a friend of yours.

I see a lot of costs associated with not providing appropriate disclosure of your methods, both during appeals committes and the respect of your peers. As a corrolary, I don't see any real losses from alerting your 4 overcall as a "wonder bid". Partner's pass of 4 should be alerted as either not fit or a super-fit.

I take that back... There is one way in which this type of disclosure would cost: Not disclosing your methods makes a lot of sense if you expect significant gains by keeping the opponents in the dark about your methods.
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