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Poll: Your bid at MPs (49 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid at MPs

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 2D (3 votes [6.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.12%

  3. 2H (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  4. 2N (7 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  5. 3C (2 votes [4.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.08%

  6. 3D (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  7. 3N (34 votes [69.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.39%

  8. Other (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2006-February-09, 17:37

I subbed 2 boards at the club this afternoon.

Vulnerable vs Not at Matchpoints

You hold:

Scoring: MP


Pard opens 1♦, you bid 1♥. LHO overcalls 2♣. Pard makes a support double and RHO passes.

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Posted 2006-February-09, 17:40

pclayton, on Feb 10 2006, 02:37 AM, said:

I subbed 2 boards at the club this afternoon.

Vulnerable vs Not at Matchpoints

You hold:

Dealer: North
Vul: N/S
Scoring: MP
♠ Qx
♥ KQxx
♦ Qxxx
♣ KJx
 


Pard opens 1♦, you bid 1♥. LHO overcalls 2♣. Pard makes a support double and RHO passes.

Your call?

Depends on how sound your opening bids are...

If I can count on a reasonable sound opening, I'm going to bid 3N...
Sure, I got quacks, but I know where most of the values are...
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Posted 2006-February-09, 17:42

3NT, I don't have the imagination to bid anything else.

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Posted 2006-February-09, 18:15

3NT, but wouldn't be surprised if this goes down due to lack of aces...
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Posted 2006-February-09, 18:17

i'd bid 2nt i guess... the clubs aren't very good, in context... at imps it would be 3nt, but not here
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Posted 2006-February-09, 18:48

2N at matchpoints, as the conditions of contest suggest. This Aceless, trickless hand is not worth the full 13 that Milton Work would have us count. After the initial ♣ lead, I cannot let RHO on lead, and I still have to come up with another 8 tricks.

Imps, 3N is obvious and possibly wrong, but the plus score rules at matchpoints.
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Posted 2006-February-09, 19:10

Only 2NT. Your clubs aren't pulling their weight since LHO bid them, even though they are a likely opening lead.
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  Posted 2006-February-09, 19:23

would really like to suggest playing in diamonds here, which leads me to be wary of bidding 3NT.

I voted for 3♣ with no particular idea of what I was trying to achieve. Some vague thought of bidding 3NT next round - but would this be showing a 5th heart? I'm not used to support doubles.
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Posted 2006-February-09, 19:52

Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x.

My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx.

We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200.

By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be?
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Posted 2006-February-09, 20:09

pclayton, on Feb 10 2006, 04:52 AM, said:

Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x.

My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx.

We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200.

By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be?

3NT may be a slight over bid, however, 2NT went down as well...

2NT is trying to thread the needle. Range really isn't a good preditor whether 3Nt is going to make. Its doubtful that partner is going to be able to make an intelligent decision.

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Posted 2006-February-09, 20:17

hrothgar, on Feb 9 2006, 06:09 PM, said:

pclayton, on Feb 10 2006, 04:52 AM, said:

Across the table I held: ♠AKxx, ♥10xx, ♦AJTx, ♣9x.

My partner passed (!) the support double, which I don't think is that bad of a bid, but declarer (the client) wrapped 8 tricks when the pro flopped: ♠JTxxx, ♥xx, ♦Kxx, ♣8xx.

We actually had an above-average board with -180. 3N is no fun and most of the field was -200.

By the way, I think 3N is an overbid, especially at MPs, and probably at IMPs. Even at IMPs, if pard passes 2N, how upset can you be?

3NT may be a slight over bid, however, 2NT went down as well...

2NT is trying to thread the needle. Range really isn't a good preditor whether 3Nt is going to make. Its doubtful that partner is going to be able to make an intelligent decision.

In short, ***** happens

Everyone is a product of their own experience, but mine tells me that preserving plus scores in high-scoring strains tends to pay off well in MP's.

I suppose the best argument for 3N is that the herd rates to be there, since this hand has "13 points".
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Posted 2006-February-09, 20:32

pclayton, on Feb 10 2006, 05:17 AM, said:

Everyone is a product of their own experience, but mine tells me that preserving plus scores in high-scoring strains tends to pay off well in MP's.

I suppose the best argument for 3N is that the herd rates to be there, since this hand has "13 points".

I'd say that the best argument for 3NT is that you have a balanced hand with opening values opposite partner's opener...

I agree that you hand has devalued slightly because the Clubs are sitting over you. With this said, your hand revalues significantly because partner is sitting on an opener. (Its much easier to make a 24 HCP game with a balanced 12 count opposite a balanced 12 count than it is with a balanced 24 count opposite nada) Equally significant, LHO has nice placed the missing cards for you which shout help the contract a well...

I readily admit that 3N is a gamble, but 2NT is a gamble as well...
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Posted 2006-February-09, 23:42

unless partner could be super light. i can see no intelligent reason to not bid 3nt.


partner is either balanced (we have probably 2 clubs stoppers). is 4351 .. worse hand for us. or hes got 1336 pattern in wich case we want to be in 3nt.


Of course 3nt could go down but bidding 2nt partner can pass and you make 4. Plus the field will be in 3nt. So unless i need to finish 1st ,2nd,3rd in a 500 pairs field im not going to take an underdog anti-field decision.

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Posted 2006-February-10, 00:06

I bid 2NT and I think that this is fairly clear. This really isn't such a great hand to start with (although I would certainly force to game without the enemy overcall) but after 2C I must downgrade.


I do think that passing the support double is bad. Very bad.
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Posted 2006-February-10, 02:09

hrothgar, on Feb 10 2006, 02:32 AM, said:

I readily admit that 3N is a gamble, but 2NT is a gamble as well...

Yes. And an even less warranted one.
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Posted 2006-February-10, 02:48

Walddk, on Feb 10 2006, 12:42 AM, said:

3NT, I don't have the imagination to bid anything else.

Roland

3NT too

I probably have the same imagination as Roland ! :P

You can go down in 2NT or make 4NT so I bid the average : 3NT :P

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Posted 2006-February-10, 03:03

I bid 3NT. One down, then?
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Posted 2006-February-10, 03:09

3NT, and with my intimidating look I'll distract opps and make my contract :P I just think 3NT is the normal bid, no reason for something exotic here imo.
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Posted 2006-February-10, 03:09

I also bid 3NT, but then I play sound opening bids.
Partner's hand isn't great (if he had a 5th diamond it would have been on the diamond finesse) and even then it's got play.
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Posted 2006-February-10, 06:15

If we have a combined 25 count, I'm going to be in game, Mrs Guggenheim (or however it's spelt) is going to be in game, everyone and his auntie are going to be in game.

I'm just going to go one less off than everyone else....
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