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Poll: Your bid at MPs (49 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid at MPs

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 2D (3 votes [6.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.12%

  3. 2H (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  4. 2N (7 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  5. 3C (2 votes [4.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.08%

  6. 3D (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

  7. 3N (34 votes [69.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.39%

  8. Other (1 votes [2.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.04%

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#41 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2006-February-13, 17:08

BTW I just saw your actual hand. I would love to be in 3N opposite that. It is pretty unlucky to go down after LHO overcalled.
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Posted 2006-February-13, 18:19

I was one of the 2NT bidders. It's not so much that I am terrified of their clubs, but I have to find enough tricks. Most likely partner is 4-3-4-2 (the 3 hearts we know about, he wouldn't open 1D on three since he is not 4-4-3-2, someone has to have some spades) so long suit establishment could be tricky and I certainly don't expect to develop tricks in clubs. Looking at the hands (after voting), I see three spade tricks, four diamonds assuming the likely finesse, and a heart trick that can be built up. Of course maybe they will lead clubs and give me a trick and maybe I can still control the hand, but it seems to me 2NT is a fine contract. If the club bidder holds AQ plus the ace of hearts plus the king of diamonds and hears 3N on his right he should be able to figure out that his partner holds nothing and go passive. With a little less, say w/o the king of diamonds, there is room for his partner to have something and he can lead a club. Since the hand went down two in NT, I suppose that is what happened. Ah yes, I see we have all the hands exposed.

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#43 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2006-February-13, 19:01

if he goes passive he will likely just get endplayed in the end anyways.
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Posted 2006-February-14, 10:14

Jlall, on Feb 13 2006, 03:08 PM, said:

BTW I just saw your actual hand. I would love to be in 3N opposite that. It is pretty unlucky to go down after LHO overcalled.

Justin - you did notice the vulnerability, right?

Put any of the relevant cards in the hand opposite the overcaller; A, K, A and 3N is unplayable.

Surely you (or anyone else) would overcall 2, especially at MPs at these colors without one of these cards?
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#45 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2006-February-14, 10:46

Sure with AQTxx and an ace I would. But I would not overcall if you replace one of the aces with the DK unless I had a sixth club. However, if LHO does have everything I will expect a good board as I will likely be able to maneuver some kind of strip squeeze on him, or play it a trick better than the field. If LHO has stiff king of diamonds my technique will gain me a trick against the weak field (which will lead the Q from hand first). etc etc, but this is all only true if I'm in 3N with the field. As it is, the field will make the same amount of tricks as I will as there is pretty much nothing to the play, so I will get an average if I'm in 3N. If I'm in 2N sure I'll get a top, but on all the hands where LHO has everything and I go +180 vs the fields +600, I am going to get a zero and thats a shame. There's no reason to take card play out of the equation and shoot for a (roughly) 50/50 top or bottom. That is why I would like to be in 3N opposite the dummy you gave.
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