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1NT.
You may get lucky, i.e. hear 2C or 2D,
assuming that 2S by opener would show
a 6 card suit and 2 NT a strong NT, and
any other bid wont place you worser
than you are currently placed.
Over 2H, I plan to make a sign off bid
with 3C.
Marlowe
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Posted 2006-February-01, 16:39
With kind regards
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Posted 2006-February-01, 16:52
Hannie, on Feb 1 2006, 10:38 PM, said:
When I play Fantunes with Gerben the 14+ don't refer to HCP but to hand strength. For instance, with AKxxxx AQ10x x xx we would certainly open 1S, not 2S. (Gerben, correct me if I'm wrong)
Same for us we wouldn't open that 2♠.
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Posted 2006-February-01, 16:53
P_Marlowe, on Feb 1 2006, 10:39 PM, said:
Hi,
1NT.
You may get lucky, i.e. hear 2C or 2D,
assuming that 2S by opener would show
a 6 card suit and 2 NT a strong NT, and
any other bid wont place you worser
than you are currently placed.
Over 2H, I plan to make a sign off bid
with 3C.
Marlowe
1NT.
You may get lucky, i.e. hear 2C or 2D,
assuming that 2S by opener would show
a 6 card suit and 2 NT a strong NT, and
any other bid wont place you worser
than you are currently placed.
Over 2H, I plan to make a sign off bid
with 3C.
Marlowe
I love your optimism, keep tuned for the follow up thread :-)
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Posted 2006-February-01, 17:48
If you hear 2♣ (probably Gazzilli), not all your problems have gone: you can easily respond 2♦ showing 6-9, but then you still have to show your minors. A 2♦ rebid is easy. But guess what: your partner will probably have some hand with ♥. That's why rebidding 2NT might be useful.
I don't like to respond 3♣ showing 55+ since I lack the power as long as we don't know about a decent fit. Btw, Fantunes play this 10-14.
Imo 1NT is the least of evils at the moment
I don't like to respond 3♣ showing 55+ since I lack the power as long as we don't know about a decent fit. Btw, Fantunes play this 10-14.
Imo 1NT is the least of evils at the moment
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1NT is the most reasonable bid. I anticipate that the major problem of this hand will be that opener does not make a natural re-bid
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Posted 2006-February-01, 19:12
I'll box my hand with 1N.
If pard rebids 2♠, I'll retreat with my tail between my legs and pass.
If pard bids 2♥, I will start with 3♦ and then follow with 4♣ if necessary.
If pard bids 2♣ or 2♦ I will leap out of my chair and start break dancing on the table.
If pard rebids 2♠, I'll retreat with my tail between my legs and pass.
If pard bids 2♥, I will start with 3♦ and then follow with 4♣ if necessary.
If pard bids 2♣ or 2♦ I will leap out of my chair and start break dancing on the table.
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pclayton, on Feb 2 2006, 02:12 AM, said:
If pard bids 2♣ or 2♦ I will leap out of my chair and start break dancing on the table.
LOL, that I want to see!
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Posted 2006-February-01, 20:37
Walddk, on Feb 1 2006, 01:38 PM, said:
1NT, what else? He will probably bid a number of hearts next, wereafter I wish I hadn't sat down to play, but so what? Those things happen. I am not going to bid 3♣ with that hand. Maybe partner will take me seriously: 10+ hcp.
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agree. 1NT is my only choice.
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Posted 2006-February-01, 22:02
YUCK!
sunglasses, anyone?
1NT seems like the least of all evils. My belief is to not upgrade the value until you have reason to suspect a fit. On the other hand, with 6-6 you might wish to start bidding your suits at some point. That's why the sunglasses are so important.
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sunglasses, anyone?
1NT seems like the least of all evils. My belief is to not upgrade the value until you have reason to suspect a fit. On the other hand, with 6-6 you might wish to start bidding your suits at some point. That's why the sunglasses are so important.
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Posted 2006-February-01, 22:43
Playing 2/1 I would bid 3♦ invitational if avalailable, with the hope there is a next round where I will bid 4♣. In this Fantunes system, I think I would stretch to 2♦.
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Posted 2006-February-02, 04:10
Playing Fantunes I still think GF 5 - 5 is a slight overbid so I will go with 1NT. If partner cannot show me the strong Gazilli variation I will be an unhappy dummy in 2M.
If partner bids Gazilli I will lie by bidding 2NT (shows minors 5+5+ but 0 - 5 HCP) and partner will pick one. I will then raise it!
If partner bids Gazilli I will lie by bidding 2NT (shows minors 5+5+ but 0 - 5 HCP) and partner will pick one. I will then raise it!
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Posted 2006-February-02, 05:32
I bid 1NT.
The problem I see with "stretching" a GF with 2D is not so much if pard holds a normal 14 count. In that case, we might avoid (or not...) getting overboard.
The main problem is, OPENER might indeed be stretching too:
if opener holds a good 13 and sometimes even 12 with 55 or better in the majors and nothing wasted, he will never open at the 2 level (see example hand by Han's post), because the risk of missing game is too high with those handtypes, which do make game opposite many 10 counts.
Our shape is a warning: pard MIGHT be 55 in the majors, and, if so, he has a high likelyhood to be "underweight", not having a real 14 hcp.
Under such circumstances, we should avoid stretching too.
I'll bid 1NT, if pard has anything good, it should probably comeout from the later bidding.
In case he bids Gazzilli, I'll respond with a positive 2D.
Of course, much depends on how accurate is the Gazzilli scheme that the partnerships has chosen.
The problem I see with "stretching" a GF with 2D is not so much if pard holds a normal 14 count. In that case, we might avoid (or not...) getting overboard.
The main problem is, OPENER might indeed be stretching too:
if opener holds a good 13 and sometimes even 12 with 55 or better in the majors and nothing wasted, he will never open at the 2 level (see example hand by Han's post), because the risk of missing game is too high with those handtypes, which do make game opposite many 10 counts.
Our shape is a warning: pard MIGHT be 55 in the majors, and, if so, he has a high likelyhood to be "underweight", not having a real 14 hcp.
Under such circumstances, we should avoid stretching too.
I'll bid 1NT, if pard has anything good, it should probably comeout from the later bidding.
In case he bids Gazzilli, I'll respond with a positive 2D.
Of course, much depends on how accurate is the Gazzilli scheme that the partnerships has chosen.
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Posted 2006-February-02, 05:47
If they play it as the Italians 1♠ 1NT 2♣ 2NT may btw be a 3-suited hand with short ♠ which is not what I have so I am stuck after Gazilli also...
Anyways, I still bid 1NT, partner's most nasty rebids will be:
2♥: 5+♠ 4+♥, 13 - 17
3♥: 5+♠ 5+♥, 15 - 17
Anyways, I still bid 1NT, partner's most nasty rebids will be:
2♥: 5+♠ 4+♥, 13 - 17
3♥: 5+♠ 5+♥, 15 - 17
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Posted 2006-February-06, 00:04
So, since there do not appear to be any defined calls above 3C, what does 3NT show?
Obviously, 3NT is not to play, since you would have bid 2C/2D/2H with 10 plus (by the way, what does 2NT show?). Since 3NT is undefined, and since 3D/3H/4C would presumably show a long suit with less than 10HCP, 3NT must show a massive two suiter with less than 10 HCP.
Seems like these other calls should be defined, since hands like this happen, and your methods are otherwise unable to handle them.
Obviously, 3NT is not to play, since you would have bid 2C/2D/2H with 10 plus (by the way, what does 2NT show?). Since 3NT is undefined, and since 3D/3H/4C would presumably show a long suit with less than 10HCP, 3NT must show a massive two suiter with less than 10 HCP.
Seems like these other calls should be defined, since hands like this happen, and your methods are otherwise unable to handle them.