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Borderline? Will you open?

Poll: Borderline? (13 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Yes, I open 1sp (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. Yes, I open 1di (9 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

  3. No, but it's close (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No. An easy pass (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

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#1 User is offline   shyams 

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Posted 2025-September-02, 23:48

MPs, first board of the day.

None vul, you (Dealer) are North


Assuming no special gadgets (but your side plays weak 2 bids in 3 suits, if it matters).

Is this a definite open? A definite pass? Or borderline
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Posted 2025-September-03, 00:08

1 for me; 65 I don't think you stay alive by passing.

I can play a weak 2 with this shape and resolve the 65, but the 10hcp reduces the likelihood of finding .
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Posted 2025-September-03, 00:17

I think this is a clear 1 opening. It can backfire, but passing with this shape and strength is way worse.
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Posted 2025-September-03, 02:36

Definite opening bid
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Posted 2025-September-03, 07:33

1D “wtp”
If I’m nervous at opening this I best make sure that I can continue bidding and show this shape, opening 1S distorts the hand.
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Posted 2025-September-03, 10:09

You're a bit stuck if partner has Clubs
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Posted 2025-September-03, 10:24

View Postshyams, on 2025-September-02, 23:48, said:

MPs, first board of the day.

None vul, you (Dealer) are North


Assuming no special gadgets (but your side plays weak 2 bids in 3 suits, if it matters).

Is this a definite open? A definite pass? Or borderline

You didn't include 2 as a possibility.
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Posted 2025-September-03, 13:11

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-September-03, 10:09, said:

You're a bit stuck if partner has Clubs

Stuck? what's wrong with 2D, if 2S would show show extras.


View Postbluenikki, on 2025-September-03, 10:24, said:

You didn't include 2 as a possibility.

Is this some sort of Multi mutation?
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Posted 2025-September-03, 13:52

View Postjillybean, on 2025-September-03, 13:11, said:

Stuck? what's wrong with 2D, if 2S would show show extras.

Stuck finding the better scoring hand in Spades.
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Posted 2025-September-03, 15:05

I think that sorely missed nige1 would rate
1) 1
2) 1
3) Pass
4) 2
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Posted 2025-September-03, 19:24

So, when you opened 1d, how did it go? 1d-3n-4s-5c-(X)-?

Or how about when you opened 1s, and it goes; 1s-2h-3d-3n-?
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Posted 2025-September-03, 19:44

View PostHardVector, on 2025-September-03, 19:24, said:

So, when you opened 1d, how did it go? 1d-3n-4s-5c-(X)-?

Or how about when you opened 1s, and it goes; 1s-2h-3d-3n-?

1 3N Pass
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Posted 2025-September-04, 00:19

I don't think 1-3NT exists. But if you want to use it, it probably shows 3=3=3=4 12-15 or so. The big double fit is surprising, but pulling to spades seems good.

What was the actual auction? I'm expecting interference.
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Posted 2025-September-04, 04:14



It was actually the bot that opened 1. Upon seeing the dummy, I wondered if I would have opened.
A few moments later I was sure that I would; then after the set was complete, I wasn't so sure anymore. My key issue is/was that the singleton K does not count for much. I reckon everyone would have opened if (instead of the K) we held a Q

So I thought I'll share it here and see how the poll response goes. :)
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Posted 2025-September-04, 06:55

The BOTs bidding isn't so bad after all
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Posted 2025-September-04, 07:07

View Postjillybean, on 2025-September-04, 06:55, said:

The BOTs bidding isn't so bad after all

If the X is 4+ why rebid rather than show support?
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Posted 2025-September-28, 04:34

View Postshyams, on 2025-September-04, 04:14, said:



It was actually the bot that opened 1. Upon seeing the dummy, I wondered if I would have opened.
A few moments later I was sure that I would; then after the set was complete, I wasn't so sure anymore. My key issue is/was that the singleton K does not count for much. I reckon everyone would have opened if (instead of the K) we held a Q

So I thought I'll share it here and see how the poll response goes. :)


Nice first round bidding by the bot, capable of opening a 1 opening with 1.

The second round however? OMG how can one NOT bid 3!s attempting to play in the known 5/4 fit, and risk having to play 3 without a fit instead?
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Posted 2025-September-28, 12:49

I used to pass these hands, thinking that I’d often be able to back in later, describing a marked two suited not strong enough to open, but I’ve come around, in the last year, to thinking that this should be opened.

What? Obviously 1D. 1S is simply silly.

There are so many sequences where 1S buries the diamond suit…even if the opps stay silent. Even if one gets to bid diamonds later, responder will/should preference back to spades with 2=2 and, in many cases, 2=3 in spades and diamonds. If our side has game values, it’s virtually impossible to construct an auction where we can’t find spades when we belong there.

And if it’s a competitive action, I’ll often be able to bid out my shape. One of my pet themes is that one should almost always at least try to describe one’s hand to partner. Believe it or not, most partners…and all good players..make better decisions when ne accurately describes shape than when one goes out of one’s way to hog the bidding, as (imo) the 1S bidders do.
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Posted 2025-September-28, 18:56

I don't mind agreeing to open this hand (and I agree it should be 1), but I'm not opening this opposite a pick-up in a club game.
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