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Benellis58 GIB bashing on repeat Groundhog Day

#221 User is offline   benellis58 

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Posted 2025-December-11, 22:32

Johnu, do you mean to say that GIB robots are NOT "bridge players"? Well done, Sir! I salute you for your keen observational skills, and I will certainly not disagree.
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Posted 2025-December-12, 07:07

NS can always take 12 tricks but stop in 4S. The GIB robot sitting West decides to lead a diamond (the suit that his left hand OPPONENT opened) rather than a heart (the suit that his PARTNER bid and he raised). Unsurprisingly but probably deservedly, this turns out poorly for him, as NS take all 13 tricks and score 71.4 % on the board despite not bidding the slam. Why is it that GIB robots so often love to lead the ENEMY suits in preference to their own? Maybe they ENJOY getting bad results?

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Posted 2025-December-12, 07:16

"SPADES? Why would I want to play in SPADES when I can play in DIAMONDS?" asks the GIB robot sitting East.

Well, Mr. East, a possible answer is that in spades you might not have scored the ZERO that you scored for going down three in your flimsy diamond "fit". I'm going out on a limb here, but I predict that your GIB partnership's sequence on this board will not win you a Brilliancy Prize for bidding.

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Posted 2025-December-12, 18:13

A typically witless lead by the GIB robot sitting West. Not surprisingly, the lead was a disaster for the East-West GIB robots. Why do these cretins LOVE leading ENEMY suits?

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Posted 2025-December-12, 18:49

West, North, and East are all GIB robots. Given West's hand and given the auction, why in the world (regardless of result and regardless of whatever the actual layout turned out to be) would West ever want to lead a spade (declarer's first bid suit) INTO declarer on opening lead? Only a GIB robot would know the "logic"!

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Posted 2025-December-12, 19:16

West, North, and East are all GIB robots. South passed 1H because this was a "best hand" game, but then competed with 2H in passout seat after West balanced with 2D. East then ALSO competed with 3C when HE was in passout seat over South's 2H. South passed, and NOW West decided to plunge headfirst into BIZARRO WORLD with an absolutely ridiculous JUMP to FOUR DIAMONDS (!!!) over his "partner's" 3C balance. Yes, the GIB robots are VERY good at punishing their partner!

West's lunacy resulted in a ridiculous contract of 4D EW, which unsurprisingly had no play and ended up going down three, for a score of 92.9% NS and 7.1 % for the GIB simpleton in the West and his perennially suffering GIB "partner" in the East. And this was DESPITE the fact that NS took no heart tricks! How did THAT happen? Well, North chose for Lord-knows-what reason to lead a CLUB on this auction. When South won the diamond ace, he gave his "partner" far, far, FAR too much credit by thinking that North might actually have had a REASON (such as a stiff club!) for making the seemingly strange club lead rather than the normal heart lead that would be expected on this auction.

Anyway, it all ended up fine for NS, since West had already DOOMED the EW side with his perverse and braindead leap to 4D, and the human South had a doubly good result. First, he scored the aforementioned 92.9 % on the board, and second he was powerfully reminded that it is NEVER a good idea to trust ANYTHING a GIB robot does - whether he's your opponent OR (far worse!) your "partner".

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Posted 2025-December-12, 19:43

Some might think that North's 4H splinter is normal and fine. But IS it? North is a PASSED hand, and his partner South opened 1S in fourth seat. The GIB robots play Drury (one of the small number of GOOD things about the GIB system), so North could safely have bid 2C. If South had a particularly good hand, this would make a possible slam investigation EASIER by providing much more bidding room. Conversely, if South had a particularly bad hand (within the context of the auction, of course), there would at least be a small possibility that NS could avoid a bad game. Admittedly, the likely destination would be 4S on the vast majority of hands anyway, but Drury WOULD at least provide chances in BOTH directions that the 4H splinter would not.

On the actual hand, 4S is the normal spot, so the paragraph above is for theory only, since even a 2C Drury response (rather than the 4H splinter) would have resulted in the same 4S contract.

EW took the first three tricks, but declarer won the fourth in dummy and led a spade, exposing the 3-0 break, after which it was child's play for him to draw trumps and claim 10 tricks, making 4S.

The hand can always be made, but as so often happens the GIB "defenders" COULD have given declarer more of a dilemma. They were doing fine after three tricks, but it was STUPID of East to play a diamond rather than an OBVIOUS club at trick four. Had he CORRECTLY played a club at trick four, declarer would have had to ruff with his spade ace and then take a first-round hook, playing West for the queen, and subsequently repeating the hook when the 3-0 break was revealed. So South could have made the contract anyway...but he would have had to immediately take the correct view. Yes, he had to take the correct view anyway even on East's FATUOUS diamond play at trick four, but declarer had more "time" and less IMMEDIATE pressure to guess the trumps than he would have had on a club play.

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Posted 2025-December-13, 13:39

Here is an excellent example of the total lack of logic so frequently displayed by the stunningly clueless GIB robots.

After South OPENS ONE DIAMOND and later competes with 2C, the GIB robot sitting North...passes.

He PASSES his partner in 2C, partner's SECOND suit, despite holding FOUR...fairly good diamonds (K952) in his partner's FIRST suit...AND holding ONLY three clubs of ONLY moderate strength (1087) in his partner's second suit.

This moron of a GIB robot effectively PREFERRED the suit in which he had fewer cards and weaker cards...and which was also the suit where his partner rated to be shorter if he did not have equal length. In other words, the GIB robot went in the WRONG direction in every possible way. He, like his fellow GIB robots, is hopelessly incompetent. This is NO surprise.

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Posted 2025-December-13, 13:43

Typically wretched "defending" by the GIB robots sitting East-West:

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Posted 2025-December-13, 13:50

GIB robots are again sitting East-West and again give a demonstration of how incredibly clueless and hopeless they are. They BOTH could have...and SHOULD have...beaten the NS game at various points during the hand, but they BOTH erred and BOTH allowed it to make. As is so often the case with GIB robots, their "defensive abilities" were absolutely, disgustingly bad.

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Posted 2025-December-13, 15:28

West, North, and East are all GIB robots. Let's examine how "well" GIB robots bid. As a bonus, we'll look at a typically useless GIB definition.

Of the numerous times I've seen GIB robots holding a two-suiter, they have almost always totally botched the bidding. Here, East opens 1C, which to be fair, many (and probably most) humans would also do. The clubs ARE both longer and stronger than the diamonds. But watch how these two morons later get into trouble.

East doubles North's mixed raise bid of 3C. His double shows "11-21 HCP; rebiddable clubs; KQ of clubs; 12-22 points". The information about his clubs is fine, but the rest of the definition (which ONLY mentions points) is so broad and vague that it's entirely useless regarding points, and it says NOTHING else about his hand. When North then bids the expected 3H, East and South pass, and West, in passout seat, doubles.

What IS this double? Penalty? Takeout? "Cards"? Something else? Well, maybe no one KNOWS, because the GIB definition says...LITERALLY NOTHING. It's completely BLANK. Not a word, not even a comma, NOTHING. I've often commented about how glaringly bad so many GIB definitions are, but this one is perhaps even worse, because it's EMPTY. What a striking example of laziness. And by the way, why IS West doubling with the collection of DOGMEAT that makes up his pitiful little hand?

Anyway, East COULD pass this UINDEFINED double, I suppose, but maybe he wakes up and realizes that he has a side FIVE-bagger that he's never shown, that he has ELEVEN cards in two suits, and that he might not have a lot of DEFENSIVE strength. Thus, he chooses to bid 4D. This FINALLY and BELATEDLY at least shows something of what his hand is like, but the problem is that he is effectively now REVERSING...at the FOUR level...into a suit that has never yet been bid...and in response to a double that has NO definition. Maybe it would be better if the hopeless GIB robots would learn something about prepared auctions!

Now West, with the same collection of garbage (dogmeat!) with which he doubled 3H, RAISES to 5C, and these two GIB stumblebums have indeed STUMBLED into a contract that requires them to take eleven tricks. It has no play, but EVEN if it had been the PERFECT spot, it wouldn't have been due to good bidding - it would have been due to LUCKING OUT after their pathetic joke of an auction. The definition of 5C, by the way, is a typically vague and useless "3+ clubs, 18- total points". Why even bother writing something as TOTALLY useless as "18- total points"?

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Posted 2025-December-13, 15:51

This is all about poor GIB definitions.

1C is defined as "Minor suit opening; 3+ clubs; 11-21 HCP; 12-22 total points". Fair enough, but is it REALLY necessary to begin with "Minor suit opening"? You know, I suspect people might be aware of that even if the definition didn't needlessly and insultingly mention it. In the post above, I noted that a definition of "double" was COMPLETELY BLANK (when it would be USEFUL to know what the double was supposed to show!) yet HERE we have the opposite, with three needless words. Hey GIB, spend your time and energy explaining what NEEDS to be explained, not on stuff that is already OBVIOUS!

1S repeats this idiocy, as the definition is "One over one; 4+ spades; 6+ total points". What the HELL is the purpose of writing "one over one"?

2C? MORE stupidity: "Opener rebids his clubs; 3- spades; 11-15 HCP; twice rebiddable clubs; 12-16 t". Lord knows what "12-16 t" is. Was the writer of the definition intending to write "12-16 total points" but got tired and stopped (?) and was too lazy and careless to correct it (?). Who knows, who cares? Meanwhile, was it REALLY necessary to begin THIS definition by saying "Opener rebids his clubs"? Does GIB think people need to be TOLD that?

3NT: The definition is "4-5 hearts; 3- spades; 14-15 HCP; twice rebiddable clubs; 16- total points; like". "Like"? "Like"? "Like"? What the blooming HELL is the word "like" doing there at the end of the definition? What the blooming HELL is that supposed to mean?

ALL of these useless, needless, inexplicable words ("Minor suit opening", "One over one", "t". and "like" - ALL of them popped up in various bids of a SINGLE board! This indicates that this garbage is not a RARE occurrence with GIB definitions!

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Posted 2025-December-13, 23:21

Typical opening lead by the GIB robot sitting West. Typically bad score for the GIB "defenders" sitting EW. I wonder if their LEADS have anything to do with their many miserable "defensive" efforts?

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Posted 2025-December-13, 23:56

Another foolish, ill-judged, costly lead by the hopeless GIB robot sitting West, followed by a truly execrable attempt at "defending" by the GIB robot sitting West, with the result that thanks to the abominable play of the GIB robot sitting West, South was able to take...TWELVE (!) tricks.

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Posted 2025-December-14, 00:15

The East-West players "defending" are both GIB robots. West leads his stiff trump because GIB robots LOVE to lead their stiff trumps, even if they're stiff KINGS of trump. At least that wasn't the case here.

At trick two, declarer South leads the 7 of clubs towards dummy's EXPOSED J1065, and of COURSE the GIB robot sitting West IMMEDIATELY pops his club queen (!) from...Q982. Maybe he's TERRIFIED that South is underleading the AK, because that is SUCH a common play? What's that you say? It's probably WILDLY unlikely that South is doing that and it's probably very SILLY for the GIB robot in the West to pop his queen? Golly gee, I think I have to agree with you.

Then, having just WON his queen, what does West do? Well, of COURSE he immediately fires back another club, because it's ALWAYS a good idea to immediately return the suit DECLARER is playing. What's that you say? It's actually usually NOT a good idea to return DECLARER'S suit? Golly gee, I think I have to agree with you AGAIN. But if it's usually NOT a good idea, then why do the GIB robots seem to LOVE to do it SO often? Golly gee, that's a tough question, isn't it? What's that you say? Perhaps one possible answer is that the GIB robots are lousy "defenders"? Golly gee, I think I just might be tempted to agree with you again.

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Posted 2025-December-14, 17:24

After winning trick five, the moronic GIB robot sitting East and "defending" decides not to defeat South's 1NT contract. He decides to instead let South make an OVERTRICK in his 1NT contract. Did I mention that the GIB robot sitting East was moronic? Oh good, yes I did.

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Posted 2025-December-14, 17:43

West, North, and East are all GIB robots. Against West's contract of 2S, North leads the heart king and then...SHIFTS...to a...CLUB.

Let's, for the moment, disregard the fact that NS defeated the contract (by one trick) anyway, for a score of 75 % for NS and 25 % for EW.

Let's also, for the moment, disregard the fact that the GIB robot declaring the hand could have made it with a superior trump "guess" at trick nine - but have no fear: we'll look at this "declarer" play later.

So, disregarding all that, why the HELL would North shift at trick two, and even if he DID decide to shift, why the HELL would it be to a CLUB, declarer's KNOWN second suit? I think the answers to both questions are the same: He did it BECAUSE he is a...GIB robot!

As for declarer's LOSING trump decision at trick nine, it certainly seems that while one could say it was indeed a guess, it was likely for several reasons the WRONG guess. True, on some layouts it WOULD be the winning decision, but I think that based on the auction and play after eight tricks it RATED to turn out poorly for the GIB robot declarer - and in practice it did.

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Posted 2025-December-14, 18:30

West, North, and East are all GIB robots. The human South opened 1NT, played it there after all three robots passed, and made exactly seven tricks to score + 90 and 50 % on the board. The contract certainly should have been defeated by the (inept) GIB robots "defending" in the EW seats, but we'll discuss that later in this post.

First, let's look at North's PASS of South's 1NT. Regardless of the result on this random hand, and regardless of whatever the layout happened to be on this or any other random hand where South opened 1NT and West passed, there must be something SERIOUSLY wrong with a system that mandates a PASS (!) with North's hand. In any DECENT system, North would have a way to explore contracts in clubs, diamonds, and possibly even hearts - all of which, given North's 0-3-5-5 hand, would likely be better in most cases than playing in no trump. Sadly, this hand illustrates one of the numerous instances where the GIB system is just plain hopelessly BAD!

As for how East "defended" 1NT, the words that immediately come to mind are: pathetically, hopelessly, stupidly, incompetently, and egregiously. I'm sure that other adverbs could be added to the list that would also describe the GIB robot's shameful and inept (yet TOTALLY unsurprising) "defensive" performance on the board.

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Posted 2025-December-15, 00:00

I'm beginning to think that the GIB robots might not be world class bridge players.
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Posted 2025-December-15, 03:57

It's not exactly headline news that the GIB robots frequently make very stupid leads, but this one is stunningly stupid, even by THEIR pathetically low "standards". The moronic GIB robot sitting West doesn't find the heart lead that should probably be "normal" and that would immediately defeat the NS contract of 3NT, but he also makes the REMARKABLY ill-judged lead of a spade of all things. Why does he do such a ridiculous thing? Simple: Because he's a GIB robot and they absolutely LOVE to lead ENEMY suits. Hopeless!

Also hopeless are some definitions on this hand. To wit:

2NT by South: "Jump in notrump - 2-5 clubs; 3-5 diamonds; 2-4 hearts; 2 spades; 18-19 HCP; 22- total points; stop in hearts". Is it REALLY necessary to say "Jump in notrump"? Of course not, but often the disgustingly bad GIB definitions include useless, utter BILGE such as this nonsense. Then: "2 spades". WHY, pray tell, can he have at most TWO spades? Why the HELL can't he have three? And "22- HCP"? Where did GIB pull THAT figure from (?), considering that the bid shows a maximum of 19 HCP...AND given that at this point in the auction the presumed strain is no trump, AND that at this point in the auction no SUIT fit has been established for NS. This definition is complete garbage!

3S by South: More pure garbage! It basically repeats the same definition that it had for 2NT, although it omits the "Jump in notrump" trash. But the fact that not a single IOTA of new information appears is not the MAIN problem. The main problem is that the 3S call SHOULD...clearly and definitely show that South has THREE spades, yet this INCREDIBLY bad definition stupidly and incorrectly states that it shows only TWO spades. Perhaps a new low, even for GIB definitions!

In my next post I will show what happened on this board at another table, where the GIB robots exhibited their dismal attempts at "defending", producing a real JOKE of an "effort"!

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