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Posted 2023-April-30, 14:58

Acol, 3 weak twos, weak NT, Swiss pairs:



I was North. I bid 3 thinking at the time it should show a good hand with club support but realised after it could just be fishing for 3NT and partner will bid 3NT with a single stopper and a balanced hand. I wanted a way of fishing for either 3NT, 4 or 5 but I couldn't think of a way of doing it in a forcing way. Needless to say two down was a joint bottom as most of the field are in 4. What should I have done?
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Posted 2023-May-01, 01:05

2 looks better to me. You really don't have much of a good hand, and I don't like making a takeout double with a void and undisclosed spade length.
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Posted 2023-May-01, 04:05

View PostDavidKok, on 2023-May-01, 01:05, said:

2 looks better to me. You really don't have much of a good hand, and I don't like making a takeout double with a void and undisclosed spade length.


Why not support partner's clubs ? If partner has say x, QJx, Kxxx, AQxxx you might not be getting desperately rich out of 4 which he will double, but you could easily be making 5 or 6.
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Posted 2023-May-01, 04:34

How many cards does freely mentioning the S in Acol promise?

If 6, 2S is fine, and you can support C later if need be or if partner doesn’t look interested. If it promises 5 only, bidding 3C might tell partner even more about your hand (if it could be a strong NT hand with 44 blacks, oh well… but I’m really unfamiliar with 4 cM).

In all cases, if you think partner is balanced and has 2-cd support for S, you should retreat to 4S.

In all cases, I believe the 3H cue-bid is a bit excessive with your hand, yes the shape is powerful, but the overall strength is not that high - should be GF and you don’t have enough facing a 2/1 Acol-style
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Posted 2023-May-01, 05:05

View Postapollo1201, on 2023-May-01, 04:34, said:

How many cards does freely mentioning the S in Acol promise?

If 6, 2S is fine, and you can support C later if need be or if partner doesn’t look interested. If it promises 5 only, bidding 3C might tell partner even more about your hand (if it could be a strong NT hand with 44 blacks, oh well… but I’m really unfamiliar with 4 cM).

In all cases, if you think partner is balanced and has 2-cd support for S, you should retreat to 4S.

In all cases, I believe the 3H cue-bid is a bit excessive with your hand, yes the shape is powerful, but the overall strength is not that high - should be GF and you don’t have enough facing a 2/1 Acol-style


I suspect it shows 6 over the overcall (and if you open 1N with 5332 unopposed), but I suspect many pairs have not discussed whether it JUST shows 6 or it shows extras.

For us 3 would show 5-4 but we open 1 with 4(32)4. If you open 1 on those, depends what a 2N rebid shows, if this is bid on all strong NTs with a stop and you double on strong NTs without, then 3 would still be 5-4.
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Posted 2023-May-01, 05:18

View PostCyberyeti, on 2023-May-01, 05:05, said:

For us 3 would show 5-4 but we open 1 with 4(32)4.

So when do you open 1 with only 4?
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Posted 2023-May-01, 05:21

View PostCyberyeti, on 2023-May-01, 04:05, said:

Why not support partner's clubs ? If partner has say x, QJx, Kxxx, AQxxx you might not be getting desperately rich out of 4 which he will double, but you could easily be making 5 or 6.


I thought of that but thought 3 understates the hand a bit, and partner could easily pass when we have 5 on. I wanted to make more of a noise than that whilst keeping 3NT as a possibility.
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Posted 2023-May-01, 05:45

View Postnullve, on 2023-May-01, 05:18, said:

So when do you open 1 with only 4?


4333 15-bad 19, yes we could play a 5 card spade with very little loss
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