[AL78]

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Do you bid on or not?

[apollo1201]

I silenciously thank partner for giving me the lead and pushing them 1 level higher while putting the C3 on the table

[P_Marlowe]

See above.

I dont believe in defending against a partial with 4m.
Add the 5332 shape and the colors, do I expect that I be at best -1 or that I will be at least -2?

If I had wanted to act, it should have been a round earlier, but I passed ( I agree ).

[AL78]

Thanks both, I let them have the spade contract and I led a low club which gift wrapped the contract to declarer:

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Declarer throws a losing diamond on a top club and they make it thanks to the very favourable heart layout. Only one table to compare with again which was 4♣(S)-1.

[P_Marlowe]

AL78, on 2023-April-21, 13:16, said:

Thanks both, I let them have the spade contract and I led a low club which gift wrapped the contract to declarer:

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Declarer throws a losing diamond on a top club and they make it thanks to the very favourable heart layout. Only one table to compare with again which was 4♣(S)-1.

In the given seq. East holding AKx in club facing a partner who opened, may find a double ( or not ), -200 beats -140.

[Cyberyeti]

P_Marlowe, on 2023-April-21, 13:56, said:

In the given seq. East holding AKx in club facing a partner who opened, may find a double ( or not ), -200 beats -140.

Yeah, but how did S go off in 4♣ barring an underlead of the spade A, -710 is not good.

[Evies Dad]

What was 3C ? 2 suited?

[AL78]

Evies Dad, on 2023-April-21, 14:38, said:

What was 3C ? 2 suited?

Natural.

[AL78]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-April-21, 14:26, said:

Yeah, but how did S go off in 4♣ barring an underlead of the spade A, -710 is not good.

There is a spade loser, a heart loser and two club losers. Assuming the defence cash a spade at trick one, South needs to dispose of two small hearts in their hand. One heart can be thrown on the third diamond thanks to the 3-3 break but I don't see how South can get another heart away on one of dummy's established small diamonds without East being able to ruff low. South only has one entry to dummy so if they play ♦KAQ throwing a heart, on a fourth round of diamonds East ruffs low and South if they overruff eventually has to give West a heart trick.

[smerriman]

AL78, on 2023-April-21, 15:26, said:

There is a spade loser, a heart loser and two club losers. Assuming the defence cash a spade at trick one, South needs to dispose of two small hearts in their hand. One heart can be thrown on the third diamond thanks to the 3-3 break but I don't see how South can get another heart away on one of dummy's established small diamonds without East being able to ruff low. South only has one entry to dummy so if they play ♦KAQ throwing a heart, on a fourth round of diamonds East ruffs low and South if they overruff eventually has to give West a heart trick.

Can't declarer simply draw trumps before cashing the diamonds?

Actually, I see - if the opponents attack diamonds instantly, that doesn't quite work. But if they do that, then leading a 4th diamond from dummy after one trump works anyway, since if East trumps, you have a trump entry to the last diamond. But that may be a double dummy line vs taking the heart finesse.

[thepossum]

AL78, on 2023-April-21, 09:04, said:

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Do you bid on or not?

I think I would pass. Why compete over 3 spades in that situation
Now to see how the hand turned out

4 clubs -1 versus 3 spades meh. My brain works in very simple units. You have part score/minus a little; game; and slam
And a few simple additional rules - try not to force or double opponent into the bigger scores
But the considerations I am reading above in this case are far beyond the computational capacity available to me at a Bridge table

I should say also I would quite possibly also have led a club but who knows

How do the stats stack up. Where is David?

But if its too complex for me to try to write up in a script you have to be happy at your call at the table

[AL78]

smerriman, on 2023-April-21, 15:39, said:

Can't declarer simply draw trumps before cashing the diamonds?

Actually, I see - if the opponents attack diamonds instantly, that doesn't quite work. But if they do that, then leading a 4th diamond from dummy after one trump works anyway, since if East trumps, you have a trump entry to the last diamond. But that may be a double dummy line vs taking the heart finesse.

Double dummy says nine tricks are the limit.

[smerriman]

AL78, on 2023-April-22, 01:49, said:

Double dummy says nine tricks are the limit.

But only by underleading the spade ace. Spade ace gives 10 tricks double dummy with the line mentioned above. But I don't think it's the right line either way.

[Cyberyeti]

smerriman, on 2023-April-22, 02:07, said:

But only by underleading the spade ace. Spade ace gives 10 tricks double dummy with the line mentioned above. But I don't think it's the right line either way.

well they don't have to switch to a diamond, second spade or 3 rounds of clubs which could be right, and you're sorted trivially

[Evies Dad]

I don't think I'd be competing to 4C.
Even when vul partner rates to only have about 6 tricks and I will hardly ever provide more than 2.
Whereas my hand looks just as good in defence.

[thepossum]

"You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away and know when to run
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealing's done"