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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2023-March-09, 03:55



IMP Pairs
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2023-March-09, 04:01

I'll upgrade to 24-25 balanced because of the good club suit, which I show with 2-2; 2-2; 2NT. I don't mind 1 in Dutch Doubleton but am worried about rebid issues, I don't love reversing into 2 with this.
Other systems might play other continuations over a strong 2, which might have a sufficiently severe impact that a different opening bid is the percentage call. With Kokish I think this hand is fine.
As an aside, I think it is better to show this hand as 24-25 than as 22-23. This is an above-average 23 count. This far in the tail of the HCP distribution partner will almost always assume the minimum within our range - it is simply far more common than the higher value (for reference: 22HCP balanced ~0.12%, 23HCP 0.08%, 24HCP 0.04%, 25HCP 0.01%). I feel more comfortable showing this as a 24-count than as a 'partner-will-assume-22'-count.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 04:06

The diagram shows East in doubt, but I imagine the question is how to open South.

I would settle for 2 clubs and then whatever sequence shows 2NT with 24.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 04:57

This is a huge hand. A flat hand with A and K is at least 12 tricks in clubs, AJ10xx and a doubleton club makes 6 with a finesse for 7 unless they lead a spade, KJxxx and a doubleton club makes 6 most of the time, I can't make my mind up whether this is 25 or 26 balanced equivalent, K&R says 25.

I don't have strong views whether this should be shown as balanced or clubs. Showing clubs at least means partner realises his xxxx is gold.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 10:54



(I'll post the full hand shortly)
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2023-March-09, 11:01

I don't play the double negative over 2. It completely ruins Kokish, and often I don't really care about partner's ace or king anyway opposite my strong 2 hands. If partner insists on bidding something it would need to be a long suit - shape is much more important than strength or key cards. This bean counting has no place in the modern game.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 11:06


“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
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Posted 2023-March-09, 11:08

2-2; 2-2; 2NT-3; 3NT-P and best of luck partner.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 11:10

View PostDavidKok, on 2023-March-09, 11:08, said:

2-2; 2-2; 2NT-3; 3NT-P and best of luck partner.

What is 3?
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Posted 2023-March-09, 11:19

Puppet Stayman.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 13:05

View PostDavidKok, on 2023-March-09, 11:19, said:

Puppet Stayman.


I would probably duplicate your auction but 3N would show 2 spades and 2-3 hearts. If I decided this was a 26 count rather than 25 there would be a less informative 2-2-3N and I might well get an unfortunate diamond lead.
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Posted 2023-March-09, 13:20

1(1)-1(2)
2N(3)-3N(4)
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(1) "10+, NATish unBAL OR 11-13/17-19/23+ BAL"
(2) "0+, 4+ H"
(3) "GF, either 5+C4+S or one-suited with 6+ C"
(4) strong suggestion
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