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Another gnarly hand Playing 2/1

Poll: Your call (6 member(s) have cast votes)

What's the best bid - 2/1

  1. Pass (3 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. 1NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2 Clubs (3 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  4. 2 Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   pilowsky 

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Posted 2021-July-13, 04:44


This little gem came up playing 2/1 at a 21 table club game this afternoon.

We obtained the median result -50 for 35%
What would you do as South (me)?
I think there were 21 different opinions on this one.


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Fortuna Fortis Felix
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#2 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2021-July-13, 05:10

I play 2 nf here, that is where I want to play.
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Posted 2021-July-13, 05:19

View Postjillybean, on 2021-July-13, 05:10, said:

I play 2 nf here, that is where I want to play.


thats how I play 2 after opps X. some values but not enough to XX. warns partner we have bad fit in also. and hand is good being 1255 as you have to run to also if 2 gets X/ed.
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Posted 2021-July-13, 06:48

Unusual problem!

This would have been a potential problem hand had East passed. (1-(P)-1N-(P); 2-(P), now what?)

I voted Pass (which strictly denies positive values the way I have played it).

My plan:

1-(P)-P-(P) (makes?)

1-(P)-P-(1N); P-(P)-P (suboptimal maybe, but it seems I've already done well (opposite a partner who seems to have 5S4H and who will often be 5422) by not responding 1N)

1-(P)-P-(1N); X/bid-(P)-? (easy decision)

1-(P)-P-(2m); P-(P)-P (yippee!)

1-(P)-P-(2); P-(P)-X ("takeout", counting on partner to pass with 5422/54(31))
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Posted 2021-July-13, 07:07

I'm not sure I'd open 1 with North's hand. Having said that my Ekren style 2 opening ends up in a worse position

If you play transfer advances then 1NT-2-Pass
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Posted 2021-July-13, 08:46

Pilowsky 'This little gem came up playing 2/1 at a 21 table club game this afternoon. We obtained the median result -50 for 35%. What would you do as South (me)? I think there were 21 different opinions on this one.
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Over RHO's double, transfers + transfer redouble are the modern style. Here, however, whatever your agreements, Nullve's suggestion of "Pass" seems appropriate.

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Posted 2021-July-13, 08:53

You need agreements here. I noticed that people are suggesting 2m NF, a bid that would be 100% forcing for me. At high level most pairs play some form of transfer advances, so you could choose one of your minor suits and transfer into those. I'm not sure if it beats a natural 'pass' though.
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Posted 2021-July-13, 08:53

Non-forcing 2C as playing 1S doubled probably won’t work out too well - though it could be our best contract. And if Lho bids hearts, a club lead is preferred
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Posted 2021-July-13, 10:57

Yeah, this is the calling card for transfers/1MX. Being able to make a NF 2 "call" and a F1R one as well is really nice. Without it, I play 2 NF (1 bids forcing), and I hate it, but I do it. It's needed for the hands where you are scared that 1MX is going to get floated...like the same hand without the AJ.

Pass is an option as even if this gets floated, if 2 is going to be any better (i.e. partner isn't stiff), partner should be able to scramble enough tricks just by forcing RHO with 5 spades to shorten their trump holding (hook the club, take two club tricks, third one either happens or promotes a long trump in hand, and get a few more tricks on power and endplaying LHO). And it's not likely it is getting floated either. But when it goes as I expect 1-X-p-2; p-p, what now? 2NT for minors and hope? 3 and hope that's not the misfit?
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