[cherdano]

Scoring: MP

P-(1♦)-1♠-(P)
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What do you do over partner's 1♠ overcall?

Arend

[luis]

I bid 2♣, maximum passed hand with a club suit. I'm interested in clubs or hearts we may have a fit in any of those suits. Is this really complicated? :-)

[Dean]

I pass.

Biggest pile of rubbish in a long time.

The only thing 2C has going for it is that it shows spade tolerance (passed hand and al)

[Winstonm]

1N, but only because it is mps. I'm a passenger at imps, although I recognize there is some danger of missing a game - there also the chance of going minus when we should be plus, too. Couple of those -4 and -6 add up to a game in a hurry.

I have a pretty simple imp philosophy: go plus when you should and try to catch all your tricks.

If I can do those two things, I might not win the Bermuda Bowl but I'll be a formidable opponent for anyone.

WinstonM

[mike777]

1nt Jeff Reubens of Bridge World has been calling for this 4th seat type of bid for years and I am sold.

[Winstonm]

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etc. The only flaw with 1N in my mind is that we just have Jx of diamonds

I rarely disagree with your thoughts, and here again I have no disagreement; many of my own posts, though, are based on my current partnership and in that I could not risk 1N as we do not have the tools to secondarily locate a "true" diamonds stop - or any other suit that the opps opened.

So what I have to look at is likelyhoods: we may miss game but not likely; we may get too high, but that is unlikely, too. Most of the time we will be in a partscore - at imps, it doesn't matter really if it's 1S making 110, 3H making 140, or 1N making 90; at mps it matters a great deal.

WinstonM

[Fluffy]

Could you 2 please stop agreeing with each other? its kinda boring :-P

I have too much to pass, no stopper for 1NT, too few for 2♣, I hate this problem, if I at least had a ♠ honnor I would just raise, but here I will jsut bid 2♣, and then complain to director for letting this hand be played when it has a impossible problem

[PriorKnowledge]

There is no reason to bid unless passing will miss a game. So the decision is probably based on knowing your partner's style.
1) Does partner overcall 1S with a strong hand and a 6-card spade suit or a strong hand with 5s, 4h? Then we might miss 4M
2) Does partner overcall 1S with 5s, 4d and a strong hand or overcall 1N?

Most players would overcall 1S in those cases, so I think the risk of missing a game is worth taking a bid. And that bid is 1N. I'd want a better suit to bid 2C.

In my style, the 1N does not promise a diam stopper.

Even without a diam stopper, opps are unlikely to cash enough diam to set 1N.

If partner is interested in a NT game and has no diam stopper, partner can q-bid diam.

So the 1N advance does not much jeopardize our plus and leaves open the game possibilities in hearts, spades or NT.

[HeartA]

Fluffy, on Jun 16 2005, 05:18 PM, said:

Could you 2 please stop agreeing with each other? its kinda boring :-P

I have too much to pass, no stopper for 1NT, too few for 2♣, I hate this problem, if I at least had a ♠ honnor I would just raise, but here I will jsut bid 2♣, and then complain to director for letting this hand be played when it has a impossible problem

I agree with you, OK?

[EricK]

I wonder if there is some benefit in playing 1NT as semi-forcing in this auction. As a passed hand you will rarely have a hand where you are confident that 1NT is a better contract than potentially weak 1♠ overcall.

There are obviously some hands where the method won't work, but the same is true of all methods.

What do you guys think?

Eric

[mr1303]

The rule as I know it was that 1NT was forcing if opener has a full opening bid. If not, then he can pass.

It helps if you take the fit hands out of it though. Hence play drury.

[PriorKnowledge]

Semi-forcing 1N? I dunno... Actually... I think it already is, kinda, since the strength of the 1N is about 8-11 and mostly just denies 3+spades.

[luis]

Jlall, on Jun 16 2005, 08:56 PM, said:

I bid 1N showing some values and less than 3 spades. I do not bid 2C as neither my suit nor hand is good enough. If pard has 4 clubs or 4 hearts or 6 spades he will bid those next. Is this really that complicated? :-)

So much agreement is disgusting so I will disagree with you Justin.

First of all I can't imagine what else can you have as a passed hand so I don't understand how your hand can be "not good enough"
Second: Do you really think that at MPs pd will remove 1NT when he has 4 clubs or 4 hearts? If you have a balanced hand then he will probably want to play 1NT with many 5422 hands, some 5431 hands and all 5332 hands. There're many chances of missing a much better contract and even a game bidding 1NT.

I respect a lot the 1NT bidders at MPs but I think it's too creative, even when 2c leads to a bad result it will be probably average since 2♣ is a pedrestrian bid while 1NT is a "I'm a MPs wizard" bid.

Bah, it's fun to disagree I really wouldn't mind that much if my pd bid 1NT on that collection, specially when I'd bid 2♣, it's nice to know you get different results depending on who is north and who is south, makes the game more spicy.

[Fluffy]

I like the 5-2 fit in MP, problem is I have around 20% chances of playing on a 4-2 fit in 1♠ with my partner.

The idea of a 1NT forcing is interesting, the problem is... do you want your partner to bid 2♦ with 3 cards? .

Now Ithink of it , mabe partnerwill pass when he has a 2♦ rebid to a forcing NT, maybe it can work.