[Cyberyeti]

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What approach do you take here ?

If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?

**Edit - as people seem to be missing this, the 1♣ is precision, any 16+ that isn't 20-22 balanced

[alok c]

6nt,assuming ♦AQ with East all balance pts barring may be 1Q/2Js are with North.There is no danger regarding ♥ stopper but ♦ may get ruffed if North has ♦xx.

[SteveMoe]

4♣ GF natural, then 5N (Pick a Slam) over 5♣ by opener. (Does opener rebid 5♦ over 5♣ here as Choice of Major?) If opener rebids 6♥, we can offer 6♠ en route to 6N. The absence of a 5♦ call by opener (whether control or majors) suggests 6N is best.

[Cyberyeti]

 SteveMoe, on 2017-April-08, 13:25, said:

4♣ GF natural, then 5N (Pick a Slam) over 5♣ by opener. (Does opener rebid 5♦ over 5♣ here as Choice of Major?) If opener rebids 6♥, we can offer 6♠ en route to 6N. The absence of a 5♦ call by opener (whether control or majors) suggests 6N is best.

Nothing fancy like that, you last played with this partner 2 years ago, and only once before that in the last 15 years, so your agreements are pretty basic.

[nige1]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-08, 12:09, said:

What approach do you take here ?
If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?

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I rank.

• 3N = NAT Try to take the money,
• 4N = RKC.
• X. = NEG.
• 4C = NAT.
• 6N = NAT.

[Cyberyeti]

 nige1, on 2017-April-08, 13:52, said:

I rank.

• 3N = NAT Try to take the money,
• 4N = RKC.
• X. = NEG.
• 4C = NAT.
• 6N = NAT.

I think 3N is ridiculous on a combined known minimum 32 count, I'd bid that an ace and a king lighter than this.

Did you notice 1♣ was precision ?

[Jinksy]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-08, 12:09, said:

If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?

It depends partly on the opponents. At these colours I'd expect E to have a 5 card suit much of the time, so the threat of a ruff isn't necessarily high.

[Cyberyeti]

 Jinksy, on 2017-April-08, 17:13, said:

It depends partly on the opponents. At these colours I'd expect E to have a 5 card suit much of the time, so the threat of a ruff isn't necessarily high.

Against these opps, it wouldn't occur to them to have 5, it might occur to them to have 6 but I doubt it.

[FelicityR]

There used to be two younger men who played Precision at our club and I had a similar auction against them once with a genuine pre-emptive hand. They doubled my bid. When asked what this meant it was explained thus: Negative double forcing to game, any shape.


"If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?" (Cyberyeti)

What I do fear is that the suits are unlikely to break, but I'm bidding 5 ♠ after a 4 ♣ - 5♣ raise, as it is the most descriptive (and lowest) bid: first round control of ♠; no first round control of ♥ or ♦. See what partner says to that bid first.

And yes, it might just wrongside the contract, but it could rightside the contract too. You just don't know.

[Phil]

4C looks completely obvious.

[dow1978]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-08, 12:09, said:

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What approach do you take here ?

If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?

3NT.

[Cyberyeti]

 dow1978, on 2017-April-09, 00:13, said:

3NT.

You really deserve KJxx, Axxx, A, Axxx opposite for a cold missed grand opposite a minimum precision club

[nige1]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-08, 14:32, said:

I think 3N is ridiculous on a combined known minimum 32 count, I'd bid that an ace and a king lighter than this.
Did you notice 1♣ was precision ?

Sorry No

[PhilG007]

From the hand illustrated,it would seem that partner holds all the top hearts for his opening bid so I would bid 6NT direct.....and pray

[1eyedjack]

If I bid 6N directly, my prayer would be that we have not missed a laydown 7 (as partner will surely not be bidding it). But then, I don't expect to have the mechanism to bid 7 with confidence, in light of which 6N seems a reasonable punt.

Perhaps one of the downsides of precision.

[rhm]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-08, 12:09, said:

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What approach do you take here ?
If you bid 4♣, partner bids 5♣, now 6♣ ? 6N ? 5N ? 5♠ ? do you fear the potential diamond ruff or insufficient heart stop more ?

Would partner bid 5♣ with three first round controls and the spade king?
I think he would bid 4♦ followed by a club raise.
No I am not worried about hearts
I would bid 6NT.
This might well be safer. Otherwise a diamond ruff might loom.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

 rhm, on 2017-April-09, 06:59, said:

Would partner bid 5♣ with three first round controls and the spade king?
I think he would bid 4♦ followed by a club raise.
No I am not worried about hearts
I would bid 6NT.
This might well be safer. Otherwise a diamond ruff might loom.

Rainer Herrmann

I bid 6N.

Partner had:

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They didn't lead a heart and the A was right anyway, but 6♣ is much the better slam if you can't find 6♠ or 6N by partner.

[1eyedjack]

Yup, and change partner's HK to HA ...

[PhilG007]

 Cyberyeti, on 2017-April-09, 07:39, said:

I bid 6N.

Partner had:

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They didn't lead a heart and the A was right anyway, but 6♣ is much the better slam if you can't find 6♠ or 6N by partner.

Well,now that I've seen both players hands,I'm now thinking what the hell did East have for his diamond pre-empt(?!) Obviously there
are players out there who love to "ride the tiger" (!)

[Cyberyeti]

 PhilG007, on 2017-April-09, 08:49, said:

Well,now that I've seen both players hands,I'm now thinking what the hell did East have for his diamond pre-empt(?!) Obviously there
are players out there who love to "ride the tiger" (!)

7 diamonds, the right vulnerability and a little barefaced cheek.