[alphred]

We are vulnerable, opps not. RHO opens 2H. I have:

♠ K 9 6
♥ A 2
♦ K Q 9
♣ K J 8 7 4

What is my bid?

Thank you all

[Phil]

Dbl was the knee-jerk but I think 2N is a little better.

[eagles123]

i double

[Cyberyeti]

2N

[MrAce]

2 NT

[ggwhiz]

double

Give me a 3rd heart for 2nt for hold up purposes. Close decision but marginally possible to right side 3nt from partners side and a spade moyse is playable.

[Fluffy]

2NT, not because I like the shape ( I prefer double with this shape) but because it gets the strength more accurately.

[Jinksy]

What's their preempting style in that position? If they regularly do it on a five-card suit, dbl. Else 2N.

[nige1]

 alphred, on 2016-June-08, 13:45, said:

We are vulnerable, opps not. RHO opens 2H. I have: ♠ K 9 6 ♥ A 2 ♦ K Q 9 ♣ K J 8 7 4

Agreeing with majority, I rank

• 2N = BAL.
• Double = T/O.

[wank]

i double. if it's a part score hand it's unlikely to play best in 2NT. if it's a game hand it'll often be best by p's hand.

if p bids 2S or lebensohls out into 3D, i wouldn't feel i had enough extra to be guilty about passing. it would be more of a problem for me with the Q of S extra.

[kenberg]

 wank, on 2016-June-08, 17:26, said:

i double. if it's a part score hand it's unlikely to play best in 2NT. if it's a game hand it'll often be best by p's hand.

if p bids 2S or lebensohls out into 3D, i wouldn't feel i had enough extra to be guilty about passing. it would be more of a problem for me with the Q of S extra.

I'm going with X also, but I am replying here to ask: Suppose pard Lebs to 3S? X-2NT-3C-3S by us. That's more than 2S, less than a direct 3S, nothing special about length as far as I know. Is it now worth 3NT? I assume so. And if pard has five will he know to pull to 4S?

I think X or 2NT is a close call, and it is worth thinking about what happens next.

[sfi]

 kenberg, on 2016-June-08, 17:50, said:

I'm going with X also, but I am replying here to ask: Suppose pard Lebs to 3S? X-2NT-3C-3S by us. That's more than 2S, less than a direct 3S, nothing special about length as far as I know. Is it now worth 3NT? I assume so. And if pard has five will he know to pull to 4S?

My typical agreement is this is invitational with exactly 4 spades. Similarly, a delayed 3nt bid is choice of games with 4 spades and a heart stopper and a delayed cue is FG with exactly 4 spades. It makes it much easier to sort out these sorts of hands.

[sfi]

 alphred, on 2016-June-08, 13:45, said:

We are vulnerable, opps not. RHO opens 2H. I have:

♠ K 9 6
♥ A 2
♦ K Q 9
♣ K J 8 7 4

What is my bid?

Thank you all

2nt without much conviction. If partner were a passed hand I think double would be clear since a part score is our likely target.

[wank]

 kenberg, on 2016-June-08, 17:50, said:

I'm going with X also, but I am replying here to ask: Suppose pard Lebs to 3S? X-2NT-3C-3S by us. That's more than 2S, less than a direct 3S, nothing special about length as far as I know. Is it now worth 3NT? I assume so. And if pard has five will he know to pull to 4S?

I think X or 2NT is a close call, and it is worth thinking about what happens next.

lebensohl to 3s is an invite with 4. jumping to 3s is an invite with 5 as far as i'm concerned.

playing your way you'd have a quandry. you'd bid on, but you wouldn't know whether to bid 3NT or 4S. i suppose you'd bid 3NT and hope partner can correct back to 4S when it's right.

[MrAce]

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playing your way you'd have a quandry. you'd bid on, but you wouldn't know whether to bid 3NT or 4S. i suppose you'd bid 3NT and hope partner can correct back to 4S when it's right.

In addition to this, if you start DBL and if pd is allowed to bid 3♠ with only 4 card, what would you guys do with 19-20 hcp balanced NT hands, if you are bidding 3 NT with the current hand in discussion.(over 3 sp)

[mcphee]

Double, Ax for 2N not a thrill and when a NT game is right I can not see how starting with double will complicate things.

[rhm]

 Phil, on 2016-June-08, 13:49, said:

Dbl was the knee-jerk but I think 2N is a little better.

2NT is rarely a good contract and the success of 3NT will often depend on that it will be declared from partners side.
Hard to see how this is going to happen once you overcall 2NT.
I am for the knee-jerk option here.

Rainer Herrmann

[rmnka447]

2 NT for me.

When one bid can describe your hand, why not use it?

[Cyberyeti]

 rhm, on 2016-June-09, 03:14, said:

2NT is rarely a good contract and the success of 3NT will often depend on that it will be declared from partners side.
Hard to see how this is going to happen once you overcall 2NT.
I am for the knee-jerk option here.

Rainer Herrmann

a) very often, RHO will have KQJxxx or similar and who declares will be irrelevant, you just have to play him to not have a side entry
b) if LHO passes, X may work well, if he raises you probably wish you bid 2N to convey your range

I think it's pretty close, but prefer to get the hand off my chest in one bid.

[Zelandakh]

 rmnka447, on 2016-June-09, 08:55, said:

When one bid can describe your hand, why not use it?

2NT shows roughly 8 of your cards and shows your strength to within 3-4 points but is misleading about the holding in a critical suit. Double implies 9 of your cards but is nebulous about the hand strength. Both calls decsribe the hand more or less but are also not perfect in every detail. Therefore it is not surprising that there is a difference of opinion amongst the replies.