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Opening with 2 four card minors

#21 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2016-February-27, 09:06

 fourdad, on 2016-February-27, 07:47, said:

never say never! :D


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Posted 2016-February-27, 12:05

 hrothgar, on 2016-February-26, 16:10, said:

Please tell me that you aren't suggesting reversing into 2 with 4-4 hands in the minors...


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Posted 2016-February-27, 16:54

My own preference is in a vanilla 5 card major system is based on what our partnership would open with 4-4 majors and a doubleton club:

1) If we would open 1 ("Convenient Minor"), I will prefer 1 with 4-4 minors.
2) if we would open 1 ("Short Club"), I will prefer 1.

I capitalize the terms in parentheses purposefully, as these are religious doctrines among LOLs/LOMs.
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Posted 2016-February-27, 18:11

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Posted 2016-February-27, 18:12

Yes you sometimes have to reverse on 4441.

A hand too strong to rebid 2nt but not strong enough to open 2c with a small singleton.

Or 18-19 4441 if you're playing some kind of mexican 2c or 2d and you're not playing reverse flannery (so 1d-1s-2c risks playing a 4-3 club fit instead of a 44 heart fit with 28 high).
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Posted 2016-February-28, 01:50

When playing with a new player and agreeing to play a standard natural system which is always an approach oriented system with the theory of convenient rebid I shall always open with 1Diamond.I can not be held stupid by any such partner since a convenient rebid of 2 clubs or 1Nt is available depending upon the honor holdings in the majors.It allows a simple raise of partners major suit bid with three cards including two honors if the minor suits are ragged .
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Posted 2016-February-28, 03:46

I decide based on the suit quality: I want suit to be led or I cant tolerate lead from Hxx. If all things about equal, I open 1. I dont reverse or do its conjugate, I dont see the upsides. People seem to be learning, it took quite a long time before reverse and its conjugate were mentioned.
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Posted 2016-March-01, 12:40

I prefer to open 1D. First of all, it allows a 2C rebid if you don't like rebidding 1NT with 4441 hands or a stop in the enemy suit. The other reason is somewhat subtle. If you play 2-way checkback, then take the auction 1D-1S-1NT-2D. You can play that 2NT shows 2344 and 3C shows 2353 allowing easier suit agreement in the minors (being able to agree an unbid 3 card minor is less important than being able to agree a shown 5 card minor). Meanwhile if you opened 1C and had the auction 1C-1S-1NT-2D, you won't be able to show both 2344 and 2335 while allowing responder to be able to bid 3C to agree clubs in both cases, so I would play that 2NT is 2335.
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