[Winstonm]

RedSpawn, on 2017-July-06, 15:54, said:

You can make the case that both Trump and Clinton are untrustworthy, but I honestly don't think you can make the case that Clinton is an "honest" or trustworthy politician.

Clinton was groomed to run in 2016 after losing to Obama in 2008. The behavior of the Democratic National Committee towards Clinton and against Sanders seems to reflect this sentiment.

I am not sure the Democratic side was provided a fair number of Presidential candidates. The Democratic party thought it was "her" time to become President so there was no need for a slew of "interfering" candidates to upset the outcome

Yes, the DNC did prefer Clinton, a lifelong democrat to Bernie Sanders, an independent. The democrats need to return to their roots of supporting the working class. Strangely enough, what was middle-of-the-road democratic ideology is now considered progressive. It seems our youth like this message though, and that is the group that the democrats need to win over and get to the polls.

[ldrews]

Winstonm, on 2017-July-06, 15:54, said:

I ready the Guardian article you cited but saw nothing about the police knowing and being reticent to act due to political correctness. Do you have some other reference that speaks clearly to your assertion?

Secondly - and I'm not doubting your word if you have actually seen/experienced this - but here in the U.S. civil servants do not have the luxury of changing/altering rules based on personal whims. They do have - and are know to - enforce harshly existing rules, though.

I still can't see this as the mountainous problem that is continually espoused by the coordinated efforts of the right's media pool.

I'm genuinely open to being shown I am wrong but so far no one has offered much in the way of actual data or objective evidence - only a lot of innuendo.

Perhaps it is like porn, difficult to define precisely but "I know it when I see it".

[Winstonm]

ldrews, on 2017-July-06, 19:26, said:

Perhaps it is like porn, difficult to define precisely but "I know it when I see it".

In other words, totally arbitrary and based solely on individual bias.

It's interesting that I have offered a definition of what political correctness means to me, but those who want to demonize the term can't find a definition for what they are against.

[Cyberyeti]

Winstonm, on 2017-July-06, 15:54, said:

I ready the Guardian article you cited but saw nothing about the police knowing and being reticent to act due to political correctness. Do you have some other reference that speaks clearly to your assertion?

Secondly - and I'm not doubting your word if you have actually seen/experienced this - but here in the U.S. civil servants do not have the luxury of changing/altering rules based on personal whims. They do have - and are know to - enforce harshly existing rules, though.

I still can't see this as the mountainous problem that is continually espoused by the coordinated efforts of the right's media pool.

I'm genuinely open to being shown I am wrong but so far no one has offered much in the way of actual data or objective evidence - only a lot of innuendo.

There was a massive enquiry about the Rotherham case and others and it came out at that, it was all over radio/TV. The article below is about Rochdale, another similar case.

https://www.thesun.c...wn-paedo-rings/ the Sun is not the most trustworthy source but just happens to be the first one that came up on a search, it was in many places.

The sort of thing in the second case is that guidance is sent out to schools that putting a Christmas tree up might offend non-Christians so don't do it.

[Zelandakh]

ldrews, on 2017-July-06, 07:36, said:

Glad for the opportunity. I find Trump inexperienced as a politician with a big mouth that he can't or doesn't want to control I agree with most of his policy actions and executive orders. The Republican led Congress is unlikely to give him what he wants in health care reform or tax reform, so in that way he will probably be ineffectual. But on the whole, Trump is moving the country in a direction that I approve.

So you do not consider someone that exploits vulnerable people and gropes women's pussies to be an a$$h0le? And how about the bullsh!t - are you seriously willing to stand up and say that Trump does not speak or tweet it on a regular basis? You are still trolling sir!

[Winstonm]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-July-07, 01:43, said:

There was a massive enquiry about the Rotherham case and others and it came out at that, it was all over radio/TV. The article below is about Rochdale, another similar case.

https://www.thesun.c...wn-paedo-rings/ the Sun is not the most trustworthy source but just happens to be the first one that came up on a search, it was in many places.

The sort of thing in the second case is that guidance is sent out to schools that putting a Christmas tree up might offend non-Christians so don't do it.

Thanks for going to the trouble to look this up.

It is troubling if the opinions expressed are accurate that attempts to absorb refugees and others moving into Britain led to lack enforcement of existing laws. I know little about the make up of the British parliament so I am somewhat confused. In my world, the governments and police tend to be more right-wing than liberal so I am having a problem understanding how liberal-based political correctness is underlying the lack of enforcement.

This looks to me like a failure of policy rather than a failure of civility. Civil societies have never tolerated criminals. Policies sometimes have done so.

[jogs]

The progressive left is wrong about everything. Rent control is creating homelessness. Old landlords are passing away. Their children are selling the properties to third parties. The new owners are allowed to charge market rates for the rents. Tenants are evicted if they can't pay these higher market rates. These are the new homeless. The working poor. The left were suppose to build affordable housing.
Seattle commissions an outside firm to conduct a study on the higher minimum wage. Study concludes the working poor is worst off. Many lose their jobs. Many others have their hours cut. On balance these workers are making less money than when their hour wage was lower.

[PassedOut]

jogs, on 2017-July-07, 07:30, said:

The progressive left is wrong about everything.

Isn't your own position on Medicaid progressive left?

[ldrews]

Zelandakh, on 2017-July-07, 02:48, said:

So you do not consider someone that exploits vulnerable people and gropes women's pussies to be an a$$h0le? And how about the bullsh!t - are you seriously willing to stand up and say that Trump does not speak or tweet it on a regular basis? You are still trolling sir!

Do you even read my replies? Of course Trump is an a$$hole. Most everybody is in one way or another. But I really don't care what his personality or tweets are, or whose pussy he is grabbing. I primarily care about his official actions, executive orders, and what he can get done through Congress. If it makes him an effective President I think we should provide him all the pussy he wants.

Are you still mesmerized by the soap opera? What Trump says, what Trump tweets? The media's and liberal/left reactions? All show, not important. When the man is moving the cups with the pea under one you have to pay attention to what is happening, and not be distracted by what the man says. Otherwise you will never know where the pea is.

Of course the carnival show is all the Democrats have to work with at the moment. They have lost congressional power and multiple state level positions as well. Politically they are impotent.

Do you see what is actually happening? Job growth, low unemployment, high stock market, lessening of regulations, tightening of immigration control, rollback of Obama's accomplishments. Actual progress against ISIS, actually addressing the N. Korea problem, working on improving relationships with Russia, stepping down from the role of international daddy. Like a big ship turning, very slowly but steadily.

You may not like or agree with it, but it is happening.

[ggwhiz]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 09:26, said:

Do you see what is actually happening? Job growth, low unemployment, high stock market, lessening of regulations, tightening of immigration control, rollback of Obama's accomplishments. Actual progress against ISIS, actually addressing the N. Korea problem, working on improving relationships with Russia, stepping down from the role of international daddy. Like a big ship turning, very slowly but steadily.

Wow! This is hilarious. The first 3 have nothing to do with anything the Donald has done and other than trashing regulations, many of which are necessary (Environmental), there has been ZERO progress on the rest. He may never get an actual bill passed despite full Republican control.

[ldrews]

ggwhiz, on 2017-July-07, 09:57, said:

Wow! This is hilarious. The first 3 have nothing to do with anything the Donald has done and other than trashing regulations, many of which are necessary (Environmental), there has been ZERO progress on the rest. He may never get an actual bill passed despite full Republican control.

If it happens on Trump's watch he gets the credit or the blame, whichever is appropriate, right? If not, then we cannot ever allocate responsibility for outcomes.

[awm]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 09:26, said:

...actually addressing the N. Korea problem...

I will just focus on this one. North Korea has significantly ramped up missile tests since Trump took office. Most recently they have tested a missile which could potentially reach the United States. Trump told them to stop testing, threatened them with a fleet that was thousands of miles away, and said that they would "never" be allowed to launch a missile which could reach the US. He asked China for help dealing with them, and then later said China was ineffective. And so far there has been no significant US response to the missile tests.

If Obama was "addressing the N. Korea problem" in exactly this same way under exactly the same circumstances, you would be talking about how ineffectual he is, how he doesn't enforce his red lines, how he makes the US look weak by pleading China for help, how idiotic he is not to even know where our fleets are, etc.

It is interesting how the same actions look so different when viewed through a partisan lens. The same can be said of many of your other statements (the stock market being up... sure but it was up even more under Obama and he was a "disaster for business"... unemployment hasn't changed much since Obama left office, but he was a "job killer" and the same unemployment numbers were somehow fake back then.. etc).

[billw55]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 09:26, said:

If it makes him an effective President I think we should provide him all the pussy he wants.

This says all I need to know about you.

[billw55]

jogs, on 2017-July-07, 07:30, said:

The progressive left is wrong about everything. Rent control is creating homelessness. Old landlords are passing away. Their children are selling the properties to third parties. The new owners are allowed to charge market rates for the rents. Tenants are evicted if they can't pay these higher market rates. These are the new homeless. The working poor. The left were suppose to build affordable housing.

Yes, it turns out that wealthy lefties want to protect their property values as much as wealthy righties do. No big surprise really.

[Winstonm]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 09:26, said:

rollback of Obama's accomplishments.
You may not like or agree with it, but it is happening.

Why would you list the above as something positive?

One the rest, you are in la la land. We will see what he can accomplish over 4 years other than rattling the cage bars.

[ldrews]

billw55, on 2017-July-07, 12:20, said:

This says all I need to know about you.

Well yes, I am in favor of what works and opposed to what doesn't work. Aren't you?

[ldrews]

Winstonm, on 2017-July-07, 14:28, said:

Why would you list the above as something positive?

One the rest, you are in la la land. We will see what he can accomplish over 4 years other than rattling the cage bars.

You must see everything through partisan glasses. I am merely commenting on what I see and make no judgment positive or negative.

[cherdano]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 17:20, said:

Well yes, I am in favor of what works and opposed to what doesn't work. Aren't you?

I am against letting people sexually assault people, even if it allegedly makes them more effective at their job.

Friendly advice, don't hit reply while you are completely drunk.

[Winstonm]

ldrews, on 2017-July-07, 17:23, said:

You must see everything through partisan glasses. I am merely commenting on what I see and make no judgment positive or negative.

Oh, I thought you claimed to be a Trump supporter.

[ldrews]

Winstonm, on 2017-July-08, 15:23, said:

Oh, I thought you claimed to be a Trump supporter.

Well, once again I can help you refine your understanding, although I thought you had already learned this. I have certainly said it on a number of occasions.

I support Trump's policy actions and executive orders, mostly and so far, that are moving the country in a direction that I approve of. I do not support Trump as a person to befriend or associate with. If you would like to replace Trump with another individual who will continue to move the country in the same direction, I have no problem with it.

I do enjoy how Trump is driving the liberal/left crazy.