BW02-1
#1
Posted 2015-January-18, 15:58
1h=p=?
Pard opens 1h, your call with:
J63...AT853...8754...A
#2
Posted 2015-January-18, 16:40
Otherwise the answers you get will be "Obv I bid 3S showing a mini splinter somewhere" or "obv I bid 2N limit+" or "Obv I bid 3N which shows a good 1-4, promising at least one ace outside" or "I would bid 3D bergen which I play can include a light splinter that plans on bidding game, partner can ask with 3S."
Usually I hate answers like that but the answer to this seems purely based on what system you play.
#3
Posted 2015-January-18, 16:53
I could not find a good call with what I play(Kimmel/Hugh style) so I throw it out there.
Full Bergen raises and style, splinters showing around a 7 loser hand, can later show stiff or void.
This is from BW where the bidding started with strong club systems and looking at both hands I doubted I could stop low enough in time when opener has a big hand playing 2/1. I did not want to bias the first response.
#5
Posted 2015-January-18, 18:18
#6
Posted 2015-January-18, 20:04
Bathhurst ended up in 5h.
very young players stopped in 4h
all after strong club.
#7
Posted 2015-January-18, 23:26
#8
Posted 2015-January-19, 05:07
I'd bid 2NT otherwise if playing something vaguely standard, and then sign off lots unless pard showed a stiff diamond.
#9
Posted 2015-January-19, 14:50
#10
Posted 2015-January-23, 05:47
#11
Posted 2015-January-23, 06:04
#12
Posted 2015-January-24, 16:57
manudude03, on 2015-January-18, 23:26, said:
Even if you happen to be right that the hand does not make 4h (and it is purely guesswork) it makes it
easier for the opps to compete when p has a hand that was going to pass 3h. Not a good thing
when they may easily make something under those conditions (at least one if not both opps is VERY short
in hearts). Trying to hit such a small target this way is actually throwing away part of the advantage
of bidding first (especially for light openers).
#13
Posted 2015-January-25, 03:36
(our system file says this sequence 'often has a singleton A or K' )
#14
Posted 2015-January-25, 03:46
I'm unfamiliar with Kimmel/Hugh style, can you elaborate?
#15
Posted 2015-January-27, 12:32
Free, on 2015-January-25, 03:46, said:
I'm unfamiliar with Kimmel/Hugh style, can you elaborate?
thanks, mainly 2/1 Marty Bergen style for the most part.
On this deal the problem I had was I did not think I could stop below slam if I show limit or better playing a 2/1 style. Pard has very big hand. IN the BW problem both players were playing a strong club and opened a big club, one stopped in 4h the other in 5h.
I did not want to bias the discussion by showing both hands but thanks to all.
#17
Posted 2015-January-28, 03:45
Free, on 2015-January-25, 03:46, said:
Splintering with a stiff ace is a problem when you have full values for a splinter. Partner may sign off with useful values in the splinter suit.
When you have minimal values for a splinter this problem is much diminished if it exist at all.
Any other way of showing a hand which is interested in more than game will give partner even less clue when to continue.
For example here and similar for 2NT (Jacoby or inv.+ raises):
You start with a forcing mixed Bergen raise.
How will opener ever know - assuming he does not have a rock crusher in HCP - when to continue beyond game and when to stop unless you somehow reveal your side suit distribution escapes me.
If opener does not know you are better off raising straight to game. This at least leaves opponents in the dark about your hand as well.
Rainer Herrmann
#18
Posted 2015-January-31, 01:34
rhm, on 2015-January-28, 03:45, said:
If opener does not know you are better off raising straight to game. This at least leaves opponents in the dark about your hand as well.
The idea is that you show partner your high card strength (roughly). If he has a hand which can make slam opposite those high cards, he can show his shortage and you have a good idea what to do.
#19
Posted 2015-January-31, 20:36
FrancesHinden, on 2015-January-31, 01:34, said:
thank You for your responses Frances this time BW gives us:
AK5...KQJ72...KQJ9...3
perhaps a mixed raise( 9 loser hand keeps us out of slam)?
#20
Posted 2015-February-03, 03:53
mike777, on 2015-January-31, 20:36, said:
AK5...KQJ72...KQJ9...3
perhaps a mixed raise( 9 loser hand keeps us out of slam)?
I'd make a limit raise, not a mixed raise. Partner shows a slam try with club shortage, and I sign off. We may still get to the 5-level, which isn't safe.