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Pull the double?

Poll: Pull the double? (10 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you leave it in?

  1. Pass (3 votes [30.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  2. 3H (6 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

  3. 3S (1 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2014-December-26, 19:00

IMPs, opps vul:

T9xxx
xxx
xxx
xx

LHO deals, anf the bidding goes

1♦ 1♥ P P
2♦ X P 2♥
3♦ X P ?

What's your call? What sort of hand do you expect opposite?
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Posted 2014-December-26, 19:40

I have played a lot of bridge and can't recall ever seeing such an auction. It makes no sense. Partner cannot have his second double. If his hand is so strong as to require me to bid at the 3-level or so good that he has 5 tricks with a 7 card opening suit on his right, then he had a takeout double to start with.

I'm pulling it, but with no confidence at all. Whatever he really has, we'll talk about this auction after the game.
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Posted 2014-December-27, 04:20

I would have bid 2♠ on the previous round. We have at least eight spades, and my hand will be more useful in spades than in hearts. That would also have avoided this problem - if partner still made a second double, I'd have an easy and descriptive 3♥ bid.

As it's gone, partner probably has a hand where he wants to bid 3♥, but is concerned that I might have only a doubleton, so is giving me a chance to defend 3♦ instead if I want to. For example, AKx AQxxxx x KJx. Hence I bid 3♥.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2014-December-27, 04:38

Isn't this a game try double?
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Posted 2014-December-27, 10:09

can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction?
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Posted 2014-December-27, 10:27

View Postmgoetze, on 2014-December-27, 04:38, said:

Isn't this a game try double?

We can't be sure that we have a heart fit, so I wouldn't take it as such.
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Posted 2014-December-27, 10:49

It sure blows my firm meta--- Righty re-re bids unsupported; double says he has made a mistake. I am entertaining the possibility that partner's previous double was intended as penalty, and now he is standing on the table.
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Posted 2014-December-27, 13:26

I dunno what to expect, but I think pard will have a tough time taking 5 tricks. So pull.
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Posted 2014-December-27, 14:44

View Postmikeh, on 2014-December-27, 10:09, said:

can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction?


AKx AQxxxx x KJx
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Posted 2014-December-27, 14:50

View Postgnasher, on 2014-December-27, 14:44, said:

AKx AQxxxx x KJx

Wouldn't we double 1♦ with that hand? Even I would, and I play a kokish-like style
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Posted 2014-December-28, 02:26

View Postmikeh, on 2014-December-27, 14:50, said:

Wouldn't we double 1♦ with that hand? Even I would, and I play a kokish-like style

I'm sure many people would double, but I'd overcall.
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Posted 2014-December-28, 05:18

I was the doubler, but I agree with everything mikeh said. I flipped on this hand, with:

Qxx
AQJxx
Qxx
AK

I did have the sense to apologise to P, but also felt mildly annoyed that she'd left it in. 3♦x made, of course.
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Posted 2014-December-28, 05:23

View PostJinksy, on 2014-December-28, 05:18, said:

Qxx
AQJxx
Qxx
AK

Makes me wonder whether you would be better off overcalling 1NT on this sort of hand.

Anyway, I think your second double was just wrong, you need to temper your expectations once partner can't advance your initial 1♥ overcall.
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Posted 2014-December-28, 06:00

View Postmikeh, on 2014-December-27, 10:09, said:

can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction?


I could not. What Andy constructed is as close as it gets I believe but I would start dbl with this, even though I overcall upto 17.
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Posted 2014-December-28, 06:05

♠Axx♥Axxxxx♦-♣AKxx
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Posted 2014-December-28, 08:16

View PostPhilKing, on 2014-December-28, 06:05, said:

♠Axx♥Axxxxx♦-♣AKxx


This one I start dbl much faster than Andy's. This is stronger hand than his imo.

Starting 1♥ is like... putting all your eggs in 1 basket. You know when you hold this hand there are much more other options available with a little from pd, not just only 4♥. Including slam hands in an other suit. Only thing bad about it is you can not lead trump if pd converts but that's life.
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Posted 2014-December-29, 02:40

If partner is footing the bill, I pass to teach him a lesson if I am playing for my money, I pull and finish the rubber as quickly as possible so I can cut this player as an opponent.
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Posted 2014-December-29, 03:26

your first double was poor. your 2nd double was lunacy.
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Posted 2014-December-29, 03:31

View Postmgoetze, on 2014-December-28, 05:23, said:

Makes me wonder whether you would be better off overcalling 1NT on this sort of hand.




i understand the op might want to pre-empt himself from having to exercise any discipline later in the hand, which is evidently not his forte, and making a bad call on the first round might accomplish that on occasion, but i suspect that with this hand type it would just result in his backing in with 2M on the 2nd round.
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Posted 2014-December-29, 03:33

Agree about the second X. What do you object to about the first?
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