[mgoetze]

How would you interpret the following sequences?

(1♥)-2♥-(X)-XX

(1♥)-2♥-(X)-p-(p)-XX

2♥ shows spades and an unknown minor.

[manudude03]

The first one I would take as a good hand, probably a strong NT with a doubleton spade. The second, I would assume something like 5053 and is redoubling in case they belong in the shorter minor (with responder being allowed to bid 2S or 2N to ask for the actual minor).

[gwnn]

Frances posted some nice stuff here, I don't think it matters much which hand bid michaels (as evidenced by http://www.bridgebas...ic/25446-hmmmm/):

http://www.bridgebas...ss-or-redouble/

basically, after Michaels is doubled, advancer shows (by his suit length/desire to play):
p=♣>♠>♦, after which overcaller redoubles to show 6♦+5♠, in case that changes partner's mind.
xx=♦>♠>♣

[nige1]

mgoetze, on 2014-December-18, 15:59, said:

How would you interpret the following sequences?
(1♥)-2♥-(X)-XX
(1♥)-2♥-(X)-p-(p)-XX
2♥ shows spades and an unknown minor.

Don't know. Perhaps ...

• After (1♥)-2♥-(X)-??: Pass = NAT, 5+ ♥. XX = ASK for m. 2♠ = NAT. 2N = REL Strong. 3♣/♦ = S/O 5+ cards.
• After (1♥)-2♥-(X)-p-(p)-??: Pass = NAT ♥ tolerance. XX = ART 5035 , 2♠ = 6+ ♠, 2N = ART 5053. 3♣/♦ = NAT.

[aguahombre]

I doubt I will ever get a strong hand in fourth chair when the auction has gone like that.

Perhaps the redouble should be something like 2 cards in Spades (in case CHO accidentally has six of them), with a 5+minor. Not sure what partner should do with that information holding only 5 spades...maybe one-under his minor. 2NT=clubs, 3C=diamonds.

Making all this crud up, of course -- having never used that redouble.

[whereagles]

1M 2M dbl rdbl

I used to play this as "pls bid your minor". In this context 3m = nat to play, 2NT = relay as usual, pass = can stand playing 2NT.


1M 2M dbl pass
pass rdbl

If pass is as above, rdbl = extras.

[Zelandakh]

Pass showing clubs, XX showing diamonds seems like a good place to start. Am not sure it is necessary to have spades as second choice above the other minor as per gwnn's post. In any case, it seems obvious for XX to show extra diamond length and no club fit if the pass showed clubs. The big disadvantage of something like this is obviously announcing to the whole world that the hand is a misfit and giving the opps ample time to get together for their pound of flesh.

To WE, if you use XX to ask for the minor then I would suggest using this to replace the relay, with responses of: 2♠ = ♣ + min; 2NT = ♦ + min; 3m = that suit + max. That frees up 2NT for something more useful than the relay. You could obviously play this as a variant of the previous scheme with Pass = clubs and 2NT = diamonds, just losing a little space in the latter case.

[FrancesHinden]

More or less what has already been posted.
xx = preference for the higher suit (so better diamonds than clubs). Inferentially you prefer spades to clubs, or else you would just ask for partner's minor
Similarly by overcaller.

Although this method was created to cope with emergencies, it still works when you have a good hand. It avoids the embarrassment of playing in a 5-2 spade fit with e 5-5 diamond fit available.

[Zelandakh]

FrancesHinden, on 2015-January-04, 04:37, said:

Inferentially you prefer spades to clubs, or else you would just ask for partner's minor

Say you had a weak hand with 0391 shape. Would you not start with a XX to play in 3♦ despite not preferring spades to clubs?

[aguahombre]

Zelandakh, on 2015-January-04, 07:59, said:

Say you had a weak hand with 0391 shape. Would you not start with a XX to play in 3♦ despite not preferring spades to clubs?

Nobody has mentioned what (1H) 2H (dbl) 3D would mean. I always assumed it meant we wanted to play in 3D, and that 3C instead would mean we wanted to play in 3C...no pass/correct since 2NT asks for minor. With your 0391 hand, if you want to play in 3D it would probably be a good idea to get the suit in there right now.

[FrancesHinden]

Zelandakh, on 2015-January-04, 07:59, said:

Say you had a weak hand with 0391 shape. Would you not start with a XX to play in 3♦ despite not preferring spades to clubs?

No, I would bid some number of diamonds.