[eagles123]

MP

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2n = 20/22 is this worth upgrading to 2c (strongest)?

Thanks

Eagles

[dicklont]

I wouldn't do it.

[Jinksy]

Not for me. People always seem to want to upgrade mega-good hands, and it feels like an extension of the learner's desire to bid strong hands twice.

If anything it seems like you should lean towards conservatism, since hands tend to play worse the more imbalanced the strength is. Here I have 7 tricks with little hope of establishing an 8th on length (unless P has 4 Hs, in which case I'm likely to finding myself in a contract needing an extra 3 tricks), and if I open 2♣, I'd certainly expect P to raise me with eg Axx xxx xxx xxxx.

That said, I think playing 2N as 20-21 and 2C as 22+ is much better. Have the uncomfortably wide range come up as infrequently as possible.

[billw55]

Jinksy, on 2014-December-11, 07:15, said:

Not for me. People always seem to want to upgrade mega-good hands, and it feels like an extension of the learner's desire to bid strong hands twice.

This. And it isn't just learners, BBOers with thousands of logs also overuse their forcing opening.

Not close to an upgrade for me.

[ahydra]

Nowhere close IMO. Great controls, yes - but no 5-card suit, no intermediates, no honour sequences (eg AJ10x). It's worth nothing more than the 21 raw HCPs it has, at least not until partner shows some hearts/diamonds and some shape.

ahydra

[broze]

No, and I don't think it's close. I wouldn't even upgrade out of a 20-21 NT. This is just a good 21 count IMO

[whereagles]

I'm in excellent shape after a transfer, so I think I'd stick to 2NT.

[lowerline]

eagles123, on 2014-December-11, 05:20, said:

MP

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2n = 20/22 is this worth upgrading to 2c (strongest)?

Thanks

Eagles

No.

[WesleyC]

I play 20-21 NT and I would need a 5th diamond to upgrade this hand.

[BillPatch]

I also play a 20-21 2NT. If partner transfers to ♠ he is not even getting a superaccept.

[johnu]

BillPatch, on 2014-December-11, 15:28, said:

I also play a 20-21 2NT. If partner transfers to ♠ he is not even getting a superaccept.

Is that because you only have ♠652? What if partner transfers to ♥

[BillPatch]

FWIW Kaplan-Rubens 9(knr) rates this as 21.60. The less complex Danny Kleinman count is a bad 22. Figures from the Goldsmith site.

[BillPatch]

johnu, on 2014-December-11, 15:54, said:

Is that because you only have ♠652? What if partner transfers to ♥

if partner likes a red suit, not only will I superaccept, I'll wag my tail.

[lexlogan]

BillPatch, on 2014-December-11, 16:01, said:

FWIW Kaplan-Rubens 9(knr) rates this as 21.60. The less complex Danny Kleinman count is a bad 22. Figures from the Goldschmidt site.

Neither count has been shown to be an improvement over hcp for notrump bidding, but we can take it that even in a suit contract this isn't outside the specified 20-22 range. No need to upgrade.

[eagles123]

thank god I didnt upgrade resulting in us ending in a bad slam and a MP bottom, would've been terrible had that happened

[aguahombre]

eagles123, on 2014-December-11, 17:09, said:

thank god I didnt upgrade resulting in us ending in a bad slam and a MP bottom, would've been terrible had that happened

You're welcome.

[eagles123]

[gszes]

I think its close but no cigar. I would not mind leaping to 4h if p happens
to transfer to hearts but that is the extent of my upgrade. The hcp value
happens to exactly equal the number of available tricks and almost no way
to produce anything extra.

Would you really be happy opening 2c 2d 2n 3d and be happy about merely
bidding 3h????? ick and if you super accept just how much will p play
you for? best to stay our of trouble and miss an occasional seeing eye slam.

[neilkaz]

I wouldn't upgrade if playing 20-21 so a big NO here. I will super accept if PD xfers to ♥.

[fourdad]

Nope