your bid? "Standard methods" , the only forcing bid here is 2♠,3♣
am I being unreasonable?
#1
Posted 2014-October-15, 23:41
your bid? "Standard methods" , the only forcing bid here is 2♠,3♣
#3
Posted 2014-October-15, 23:49
-- Bertrand Russell
#4
Posted 2014-October-15, 23:59
#6
Posted 2014-October-16, 00:21
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#7
Posted 2014-October-16, 00:21
#8
Posted 2014-October-16, 00:22
#9
Posted 2014-October-16, 00:26
jillybean, on 2014-October-15, 23:59, said:
Even if he opens all 10 counts you have to go for game with this. Even if you count this hand 13 hcp, which would be a huge evaluation disability, you should still go for game. And yes this is for MP, at IMPs even thinking of just inviting is as bad as actually doing it imho.
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#10
Posted 2014-October-16, 00:31
Put another way; you have to choose right now (magically): safe level? or right strain? If it's "safe level", then we play different games.
#11
Posted 2014-October-16, 01:24
So 3♣ it is.
#12
Posted 2014-October-16, 01:38
#13
Posted 2014-October-16, 03:18
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#14
Posted 2014-October-16, 03:24
If partscore is the limit, it is very unlikely that 2NT is your best spot.
JB needs more gadgets imo.
#15
Posted 2014-October-16, 04:04
The usual way to sort it out is make a forcing bid in fake a suit (which we know pard will never support). Both 2♠ and 3♣ serve the purpose. Spades keeps bidding lower, clubs is a lesser distortion. I think I would go with clubs.
HOWEVER... if you decide the hand is not worth a game force (I personally think it is), then it becomes easy: just bid 3♦. If pard accepts the invite, he'll bid 3♥ with 3 cards there and you recapture the heart game.
#16
Posted 2014-October-16, 05:27
ahydra
#17
Posted 2014-October-16, 06:34
Allows partner to show 3c♥ and maybe opps will not lead killing ♠ if we play 3NT (I will force to game, what 2♠ already did in fact).
#18
Posted 2014-October-16, 07:55
If the question is game or no game I choose game (or slam) with the
only problems being what strain and how high. There are probably a
(relative) thimble full of hands where stopping short of game is right
so let us ignore those and try to figure out where to play this hand.
Of all the possible hands p might have our best chance at making slam
is if p is short in clubs because that requires the least overall in the
way of assets. xxx Axx AKxxxx x. I say this because if we were to choose
3c as our next bid it would go a long way to making sure we avoid slam.
It might also lead us astray into 3n when 5 or 6d might be right instead.
2S
On the other hand not only keeps the bidding lower (not by much) but leaves
open the chances of slam depending on how the bidding proceeds. The one big
major benefit of 2s over 3c may easily be the ability to show doubt about
NT. Over 2s if p bids 2n it is easy for us to now bid 3d to show some doubt
about spade "stuff" by bidding 3d. This in turn might find p making bids such
as 3h or finding our way to 6d if p happens to be short in spades with some
extra values.
#19
Posted 2014-October-16, 07:56
I'm North here and I'm thinking slam, not game. After I heard 3N, I pushed to slam, UNfortunately the wrong slam which was entirely my fault.
Partner and I had a good discussion about this hand afterwards, I thought the 3N bid makes it very difficult for me and if he is going to
game, why not temporize with 3♣ and hear what more I have to say.
#20
Posted 2014-October-16, 08:18
Partner's 3NT bid is premature, though. He can always bid a black suit, fishing for heart support. It will still be difficult to bid this slam, though. Maybe you would bid 4♦ after South's 2♠ or 3♣ bid. I think South would just bid 5♦ then.