[Cyberyeti]

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your bid

[CamHenry]

Options are pass, double, 4N, 5C, 6C. I rule out 6C and 4N quite quickly; I'm settling for 5c though I'm tempted by both X and pass. Not 100% clear to me.

[whereagles]

This is the sort of hand it's better be lucky than good.

5♣

[broze]

Pass for me

[mfa1010]

5♣ every day in the week.

[MrAce]

Cyber, you know damn well that nothing is % 100 clear after heavy preempts.

[Cyberyeti]

MrAce, on 2014-April-14, 05:18, said:

Cyber, you know damn well that nothing is % 100 clear after heavy preempts.

Well there was only one course of action (bidding or not) that I would consider, but I'm known as somewhat eccentric, partner chose the other action.

[paulg]

I do the same as mfa1010. Unfortunately not often enough.

[Fluffy]

This is an obvious double, partner is trap passing, and on the unlikely event that he is not I hope he is good enough to bid 4NT with 5-4 minors, or 2-5 reds.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2014-April-14, 05:44, said:

This is an obvious double, partner is trap passing, and on the unlikely event that he is not I hope he is good enough to bid 4NT with 5-4 minors, or 2-5 reds.

What do you expect partner to do over this double if 33(34) or (23)44 with 5/8/11 points ?

[MrAce]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-April-14, 06:02, said:

What do you expect partner to do over this double if 33(34) or (23)44 with 5/8/11 points ?

Pass ? Though it may depend on his spade holdings

Fluffy, on 2014-April-14, 05:44, said:

This is an obvious double, partner is trap passing,

Pd may hold a lot of other hands to pass before trap passing.

Our reasonable options are
-Pass
-Double
-5♣

I really don't like opener's DBL at the 4 level when he already opened and holds minimum hand, and no take out shape either, even though I am aware it may be the winning action. Why do we want to bid ? Because we have extra strength or extra shape ? Answer is obvious, if I am going to bid I will tell pd why I am bidding and which values he has, if any, are good for me.

[billw55]

Sounds like a job for cute sayings. 6-5 come alive! When in doubt, bid one more!

[rhm]

This one is 100% clear, though not in 100% of all cases successful

Rainer Herrmann

[aguahombre]

rhm, on 2014-April-14, 07:43, said:

This one is 100% clear, though not in 100% of all cases successful

Rainer Herrmann

100% clear either means your choice is so obvious you don't need to say it....or it means you are having fun with us.

It is nearly 100% clear that when I bid 5C it won't go P P P thereafter; and a tossup whether anything which happens :rolleyes:thereafter will be good. But, that's what I probably would do.

Saving 4N (delay unusual) here for the 7-5

[rhm]

aguahombre, on 2014-April-14, 08:21, said:

100% clear either means your choice is so obvious you don't need to say it....or it means you are having fun with us.

Why should I have fun with you?

Rainer Herrmann

[mfa1010]

aguahombre, on 2014-April-14, 08:21, said:

100% clear either means your choice is so obvious you don't need to say it....or it means you are having fun with us.

It is nearly 100% clear that when I bid 5C it won't go P P P thereafter; and a tossup whether anything which happens thereafter will be good. But, that's what I probably would do.

So is this so obvious that you don't need to say why, or are you having fun with us?

[ArtK78]

I would bid 5♣ every day of the week that ends in a "y."

As Rainer said, it is 100% clear, but is not in 100% of the cases successful.

This is a tougher problem at matchpoints.

[aguahombre]

mfa1010, on 2014-April-14, 08:32, said:

So is this so obvious that you don't need to say why, or are you having fun with us?

Maybe. But, Someone is likely to do something. Partner goes back to Hearts or raises Clubs. RHO wheels the ax or pushes in Spades. Your guess as to the success for us when this occurs.

My Partner will hold JXXX XX KXXXX JX more than yours will, but I keep pretending I am Linus holding the football.

[Cyberyeti]

OK, so you bid 5♣, the 4♠ bidder bids 5♦, partner doubles, RHO bids 5♠ I presume you pass and partner is in the hot seat with:

xx, 109x, KQxx, K10xx

Any suggestions ? (also do you really remove a double of 4♠ with this, may not play great opposite partner's big balanced)

[ArtK78]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-April-14, 09:35, said:

OK, so you bid 5♣, the 4♠ bidder bids 5♦, partner doubles, RHO bids 5♠ I presume you pass and partner is in the hot seat with:

xx, 109x, KQxx, K10xx

Any suggestions ? (also do you really remove a double of 4♠ with this, may not play great opposite partner's big balanced)

If your point is that partner may have some problems later in the auction, all I can say is that is certainly possible. But that is not the problem that was presented to us.