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Minor Suit Bidding Problem Expert partner, not much discussion

Poll: Minor Suit Bidding Problem (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you agree with the 2H bid?

  1. Yes (16 votes [76.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.19%

  2. No (5 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

Would 4C now be forcing?

  1. Yes, 3S created a game force (10 votes [47.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

  2. No, 3S might just be competitive (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. No, 3S was a game try and 4C declines (11 votes [52.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.38%

What is your call?

  1. 3NT (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. 4C (7 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. 4H (8 votes [38.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.10%

  4. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5C (4 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  6. Something Else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2014-January-03, 19:31

Partner deals, all NV at IMP scoring.

♠83 ♥A ♦JT965 ♣AT875

Playing 2/1 with an expert partner; you've had some discussion but none that is particularly relevant to this auction beyond that an immediate 3♣ would've been preemptive:

1♣ - 1♥ - 2♥ - 3♥
3♠ - Pass - ???

What's going on, and what's your call?
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Posted 2014-January-03, 22:30

Partner is showing at least a spade feature and is forcing an intelligent call. 3NT seems intelligent to me.
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Posted 2014-January-04, 03:17

I don't like 3NT with the stiff Ace and 5-5 when partner couldn't double and I don't want to bid 5♣ with 1st round control in hearts and a nice hand. 4♣ would be nonforcing for me so I am stuck with 4♥s. Hope partner doesn't get too excited.
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Posted 2014-January-04, 14:03

View Postkenrexford, on 2014-January-03, 22:30, said:

Partner is showing at least a spade feature and is forcing an intelligent call. 3NT seems intelligent to me.


3NT doesn't seem very intelligent to me. If partner's 3S call has as little as AKxx xxx x KQxxx he'd have no real reason not to pass 3NT on that
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Posted 2014-January-04, 15:36

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2014-January-04, 14:03, said:

3NT doesn't seem very intelligent to me. If partner's 3S call has as little as AKxx xxx x KQxxx he'd have no real reason not to pass 3NT on that

This is not what I would bid 3S with, or pass. If he can count and think, he knows that I have 5 clubs and the stiff heart Ace, which is what I have. That's not a 3NT hand.

If ha instead had something like AKxx xxc AKx Kxx or Kxx Kxx AKx KQxx, he would pass.

partner knows we are not no trump oriented because we cuebid and because he is known to be looking at three hearts.
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Posted 2014-January-04, 17:07

Ya I think 3s created a gf, 4c now. All the more so if 4d would be rkc in clubs as I don't want to go past rkc ask.

Not sure I get all these delicate game tries with 3s at imps, trying to stop in 4c.
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Posted 2014-January-04, 23:44

I think 3S is very likely to be a hand like the ones Frances posted, a 4-3-1-5 or 4-3-2-4 with xxx in hearts, offering a second place to play since partner was unable to bid 3NT himself.

I do think 3S is forcing, too - if 2H didnt already set up a GF it came very close to it- and I will just go for a nice quiet 5C.4C would sound slammish.
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Posted 2014-January-12, 13:17

Partner's hand:

♠AKQx
♥Txxx
♦x
♣KJ9x

Six clubs is a (somewhat lucky) make. Five clubs was the call selected at the table, making six for a push board.
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