[Cyberyeti]

Pairs. Our agreements are simple, overcalls are natural, doubles are takeout except for immediately over 2♦ where it's an opening bid unsuitable for an overcall.

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We got to the right spot without knowing exactly what we were doing, (2♦)-2♥-P-3♣-P-4♣-P-4♥, +1 when they didn't find the trump promotion.

On general principles bidding over a weak 2:

Is E too good for 2♥ ?
Is W good enough for 3♣ ?
Is 4♣ forcing ? and what would 3♠ show ?

How would you bid the hand ?

[ahydra]

(2D)-2H-(p)-3C looks fine. As East now I might try 3S which should be asking for a stop (since spades has to be the opponents' suit). West now pretty much has to go to 4H. But tbh 4C-4H is also fine - I think you knew more about what was going on than you think

ahydra

[gnasher]

I think your auction was fine. I think 3♣ should be game-forcing. That makes it a bit of a stretch on the actual hand, but you're too good to pass, and anything else is a misdescription.

[FrancesHinden]

I think West can pass after 2D - 2H - P - 3C - P - 3H, but not if East bids a new suit over 3C (it's too difficult to stop in 3D)
But surely any sensible auction gets to 4H?

[Cyberyeti]

FrancesHinden, on 2014-January-12, 07:59, said:

I think West can pass after 2D - 2H - P - 3C - P - 3H, but not if East bids a new suit over 3C (it's too difficult to stop in 3D)
But surely any sensible auction gets to 4H?

It does if you know what you're doing.

However in the club:

3♠-1 by opps
3♣+2
4♣+1
3♣+3
3♥+2
4♥= 3 times
4♥+1 once, us

[Fluffy]

Overcalling a preempt is not done with anything, 15 balanced is not even mild extras in general, the good suit qualities is the only extra.

3♣ is obvious, it is F1.

I am not fully sure if 4♣ is forcing or not, for me 3♠ is clearly a cuebid, so you could bid that with club support and a slam try, but nobody gets rich playing 4♣ anyway.

I have firm agreements that 2♠ and 4♠ are natural over 2♥, but 3♠ is not.

[aguahombre]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-January-12, 14:37, said:

It does if you know what you're doing.

However in the club:

3♠-1 by opps
3♣+2
4♣+1
3♣+3
3♥+2
4♥= 3 times
4♥+1 once, us

Yeh, it seems you knew what you were doing. We don't always have to know that we know

Of course, if Pard and I were in your place North would have the 4 hearts with his 6 Spades, and we would go down. Pitching a Diamond on the third Spade (wrong anyway in this situation) would still allow a fourth Spade lead and the uppercut; while, Ruffing the third spade would tap us into a Diamond loser When North holds up ruffing a club until the fourth is played.

[dake50]

On general principles bidding over a weak 2:
Is E too good for 2H?
*** No, especially granted a chance to start at 2H instead of 3H/X.
Is W good enough for 3C?
*** Just with HKx and good clubs.
Is 4C forcing? and what would 3S show?
*** No, showing a fit. Hoping to encourage 4H try.
*** I like all forces to go through 3S. Q-bid stop ask, but may start a slam try.
How would you bid the hand ? -- Cyberyeti
*** Just as you. Well reasoned at each choice.

[rhm]

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Cyberyeti, on 2014-January-12, 06:13, said:

Pairs. Our agreements are simple, overcalls are natural, doubles are takeout except for immediately over 2♦ where it's an opening bid unsuitable for an overcall.

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We got to the right spot without knowing exactly what we were doing, (2♦)-2♥-P-3♣-P-4♣-P-4♥, +1 when they didn't find the trump promotion.

On general principles bidding over a weak 2:

Is E too good for 2♥ ?

No.

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Is W good enough for 3♣ ?

No. There is not much merit in fighting an overcall in a major at the two level with a minor suit at the three level unless you have enough for game.
When opponents preempt there is little merit in trying to stop on a dime, e.g. (2♦)-2♥-3♣-3♥-Pass.
With the West hand I do not want to force to game. I would have raised partner, rarely a bad idea. (From West perspective, which games will you likely miss, if you bid 3♥?)

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Is 4♣ forcing? and what would 3♠ show ?

Of course. In fact for me 3♣ is game forcing and 4♣ is minorwood with clubs and hearts as keysuits. Give West the ♠A instead of the ♠J and you might appreciate why.
I would consider 3♠ in this context as a try for 3NT asking for help in spades, since North should have a weak two in spades.

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How would you bid the hand ?

(2♦)-2♥-3♥-4♥

Rainer Herrmann

[P_Marlowe]

#Q1 No
#Q2 Yes
#Q3 No ... and it is even more problematic playing pairs, 4C bypasses 3NT.
#Q4 Given your agreement set, instead of 4C bid 3S, as a general force, asking
for a spade stopper. Over that West can suggest 4H by bidding it.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the_clown]

What Rainer said