[Adam1105]

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but it's happened over and over to me.

I'm playing my p's card and his/her card is 03/14.

And ... so ... which suit do I respond to regarding the king trump and 4 aces?" Spades or Hearts?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

In this auction with no suit agreement, 4NT = RKC for the last bid suit: ♥ .

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If no suit has been supported, the key suit is:
1. The strong 2C bidder's suit.
2. The strong jump-shifter's suit.
3. The jump rebidder's suit.
4. The last bid suit.

[ggwhiz]

I agree with the above, Hearts here.

How about an auction that starts

1♠ - 2♥
3♥ - 3♠

and soon either partner bids 4nt.

I think it's for whichever suit the 4nt bidder supported ie. if the next bid is 4nt it's for hearts. If the next bid is a minor suit cue and responder bids 4nt it's for spades.

[Fluffy]

on ggqhiz auction spades is the suit in my logic if there is only 5 keycards, but anyway it is the most classic 6 keycard blackwood sequence.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

ggwhiz, on 2013-November-15, 22:07, said:

I agree with the above, Hearts here.

How about an auction that starts

1♠ - 2♥
3♥ - 3♠

and soon either partner bids 4nt.

I've been told that this is an exception to double-fit auctions .
♥ is the agreed suit and 3S is a cuebid .

The following is a double-fit auction:
1S - 2D
3D - 3S
A double-fit is announced but ♠ becomes the agreed suit ( because a Major suit contract counts more ).

In the double-fit cases I would consider using 6Ace-RKC.

[wyman]

ggwhiz, on 2013-November-15, 22:07, said:

I agree with the above, Hearts here.

How about an auction that starts

1♠ - 2♥
3♥ - 3♠

and soon either partner bids 4nt.

I think it's for whichever suit the 4nt bidder supported ie. if the next bid is 4nt it's for hearts. If the next bid is a minor suit cue and responder bids 4nt it's for spades.

I play that we're in a spades auction at this point unless opener bids 3N now which sets hearts. So 4C is a Q for spades. 4N is RKC for spades. Etc.

[RSClyde]

I've never agreed with the reasoning that
1♠ 2♥
3♥ 3♠
was anything other than a cue bid for hearts. If all you want to do is set spades as trump, don't bid hearts: just game force with 2♣. For people who want it to show spades, what's your hand that you bid 2♥? If you have 5♥ and 3♠ then how do you know that spades is right? For all you know partner is 5-5.

[rhm]

RSClyde, on 2013-November-18, 04:17, said:

I've never agreed with the reasoning that
1♠ 2♥
3♥ 3♠
was anything other than a cue bid for hearts. If all you want to do is set spades as trump, don't bid hearts: just game force with 2♣. For people who want it to show spades, what's your hand that you bid 2♥? If you have 5♥ and 3♠ then how do you know that spades is right? For all you know partner is 5-5.

And what if responder has more spades and 5 hearts and opener's heart holding will be crucial for slam, for example ♠AQxxx ♥KJxxx ♦xx ♣x ?
In standard I would not start with 2♣ nor would I want to start with 4♣ or 2NT.

Rainer Herrmann

[RSClyde]

rhm, on 2013-November-18, 05:14, said:

And what if responder has more spades and 5 hearts and opener's heart holding will be crucial for slam, for example ♠AQxxx ♥KJxxx ♦xx ♣x ?
In standard I would not start with 2♣ nor would I want to start with 4♣ or 2NT.

Rainer Herrmann

If hearts gets raised I'm not sure how your going to figure out that partner has the Q after agreeing spades (unless you play 2-way key card). I would have no problem starting with 4♣ on this hand: if partner can't bid it after that then it's unlikely to be right. The same goes for 2♣ or 2nt. None are fool proof but neither is 2♥.

So what if opener has that exact hand and it proceeds
1♠ 2♥
3♥
now after hearts are agreed responder's spade holding will be crucial for slam but responder can't cue bid the suit.