finally a hand that I might open, preempt or pass
#2
Posted 2012-November-18, 05:38
I have a tendency to choose the bids that makes it harder for opponents to find their major suit when i am short in them.
My majors are in the correct order also, if we happen to miss a heart fit because of my choice, then they will have a spade fit most of the time. And getting in at 3 level before everyone else at the table is advantage, tells my hand to pd in 1 shot.
Vulnerability supports us in different ways, we are not going to bleed as much as if we were red if things go nuts, we will lose less if we miss game. While it is the opposite for opponents and puts way more stress than us on them for both same reasons.
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#3
Posted 2012-November-18, 05:48
#4
Posted 2012-November-18, 05:58
do no see the benefit of a 1c opening bid. Not enough defense and it fails to
stress the only decent thing about this hand a fair club suit. 3c will not keep
us from bidding/making game when it is there (mostly 43 heart fits) and gets
our hand info across in one quick volley. IMPS/MP all the same thinking here.
#5
Posted 2012-November-18, 07:48
#6
Posted 2012-November-18, 08:57
gszes, on 2012-November-18, 05:58, said:
do no see the benefit of a 1c opening bid. Not enough defense and it fails to
stress the only decent thing about this hand a fair club suit. 3c will not keep
us from bidding/making game when it is there (mostly 43 heart fits) and gets
our hand info across in one quick volley. IMPS/MP all the same thinking here.
Wow I don't think I have ever managed to bid a 4=3 major game after pre-empting in a minor. I can't imagine how the auction would go? Does responder introduce a four-card suit or does opener rebid 4♥ over 3♠ say?
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#7
Posted 2012-November-18, 09:00
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#8
Posted 2012-November-18, 09:02
#9
Posted 2012-November-18, 09:22
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#10
Posted 2012-November-18, 09:52
MrAce, on 2012-November-18, 05:38, said:
I'm in for 3♣ but it's a chosen partnership style that doesn't always work. Just not up to scratch for 1♣ for us.
As MrAce points out, they can land on their head if they come in (wrong major etc.) and at these colours the profits outweigh the losses imo.
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#11
Posted 2012-November-18, 11:18
I prefer pass to 1♣because I have short spades and Qxx are terrible holdings. Passing and bidding clubs describes my hand to a tee.
With these red suit holdings, 3♣ is just an oddball bid. I like to pressure my opponents but I'd rather not toss 7 IMPs playing 3♣ when partner has a routine pass. Plus howw can partner reliably judge to bid 5♣ if you open 3♣ on this as well as x xxx xxx KQxxxx?
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#12
Posted 2012-November-18, 11:38
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#13
Posted 2012-November-18, 11:40
I loathe 3♣, which has at least four flaws (♥Q, ♦Q, ♣A, bad suit). Personally I'd open 1♣, but I don't see anything wrong with pass.
#14
Posted 2012-November-18, 15:21
Phil, on 2012-November-18, 11:18, said:
My partner can reliably judge that I never own THAT piece of garbage.
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#15
Posted 2012-November-18, 15:42
#16
Posted 2012-November-18, 16:10
For me, being w/r as dealer is the biggest factor. This is a time we want to preempt, but (to me) this means we happily open 3♣ on Qxxxxx and out, it doesn't mean we preempt with decent (opening/near opening) hands with empty suits and scattered values outside.
#17
Posted 2012-November-18, 16:40
#18
Posted 2012-November-18, 23:50
Phil, on 2012-November-18, 11:18, said:
Presumably if you play this style of pre-empt then you take the view, in many more cases than "normal", that the opening pre-empt has done its job. i.e. you don't extend the pre-empt as freely, and you tend not to sacrifice. You have taken away 2 levels of bidding in a situation where other people might have passed. The hope is that this will put your side ahead often enough that your side don't have to take the last guess.
#19
Posted 2012-November-19, 00:03
EricK, on 2012-November-18, 23:50, said:
Yes, this is the view of those who prefer to do everything from one side of the table at the outset. Some of us are not prescient enough to make all the decisions from our side based on no particular information, and must use that person we invited to sit across from us as a crutch.
#20
Posted 2012-November-19, 00:21
aguahombre, on 2012-November-19, 00:03, said:
That's a bit harsh. You can tell your partner you have at least 6 clubs and less than opening strength and let him make a decision - but he will make more cautious decisions than those whose partner promised at least 7 clubs. Or you can pass and tell him you have less than opening strength and let him make a decision based on that. It is not clear that he will make better decisions in the latter scenario. It is clear that the opponents are likely to make better decisions in the latter scenario though.