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I play that 2S is either a two-card heart raise or 4-5 either way in the minors, invitational. Partner puppets with 2NT and we complete the description. Instead, 2NT is either both minors or a good 3-card heart raise. Partner assumes the former, and we correct with the latter. That releases 3H to be a poor 3-card heart raise, not as poor as pass. 3C and 3D are non-forcing of course. So I would bid 2S.
Doesn't everyone play this way?
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Posted 2012-November-19, 09:18
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Posted 2012-November-19, 09:20
lamford, on 2012-November-19, 09:18, said:
Doesn't everyone play this way?
Yeh, we probably do, but decided to add controversy to the thread by saying we do differently.
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Posted 2012-November-19, 21:58
aguahombre, on 2012-November-19, 09:20, said:
Yeh, we probably do, but decided to add controversy to the thread by saying we do differently.
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Posted 2012-November-19, 22:06
This is pd's hand.
At the table I bid 3N and made it. But I am not sure 3N is right bid. If we play 2/1 with solid opening style, then here I think 2S as a kind of game try is a nice choice.
A furthere question is should 2S show minors or this kind of hand. Lamford's post looks we can have both.
At the table I bid 3N and made it. But I am not sure 3N is right bid. If we play 2/1 with solid opening style, then here I think 2S as a kind of game try is a nice choice.
A furthere question is should 2S show minors or this kind of hand. Lamford's post looks we can have both.
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Posted 2012-November-22, 22:24
Accidentally found this thread.
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Posted 2012-November-23, 00:43
lamford, on 2012-November-19, 09:18, said:
I play that 2S is either a two-card heart raise or 4-5 either way in the minors, invitational. Partner puppets with 2NT and we complete the description. Instead, 2NT is either both minors or a good 3-card heart raise. Partner assumes the former, and we correct with the latter. That releases 3H to be a poor 3-card heart raise, not as poor as pass. 3C and 3D are non-forcing of course. So I would bid 2S.
Doesn't everyone play this way?
Doesn't everyone play this way?
No. I don't like playing poor methods.
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Posted 2012-November-23, 05:06
fred, on 2011-December-28, 10:19, said:
I don't think anyone has mentioned the possibility of bidding 3NT, but I think it is the clearly correct bid (assuming you never bid 1NT with hands with which you were always intending on forcing to game).
3NT should suggest a hand just like this: a balanced hand with a doubleton (or occasionally tripleton?) heart honor and (typically) a couple of Aces. Partner is free to remove of course if he thinks that 4H rates to be a better contract than 3NT opposite this sort of hand.
By the way, I don't agree with the notion that either 3H or 4H promises (or even suggests) any particular number of hearts. Surely 4H in particular means nothing more than "I think we have a good chance to win 10 tricks with hearts as trump". 3H just means "Bid 4H (or 3NT) if you have a maximum".
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3NT should suggest a hand just like this: a balanced hand with a doubleton (or occasionally tripleton?) heart honor and (typically) a couple of Aces. Partner is free to remove of course if he thinks that 4H rates to be a better contract than 3NT opposite this sort of hand.
By the way, I don't agree with the notion that either 3H or 4H promises (or even suggests) any particular number of hearts. Surely 4H in particular means nothing more than "I think we have a good chance to win 10 tricks with hearts as trump". 3H just means "Bid 4H (or 3NT) if you have a maximum".
Fred Gitelman
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I think Fred nailed it.