[Cyberyeti]

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

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Dealer N love all

If N opens 1♣ E will bid 2N both reds good/bad and W will bid 3♥ over pass or double but otherwise stay silent
If N opens 2♣ precisionish E will overcall 2♥ and W will be silent whatever happens next

Dealer N NS vul

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Dealer S love all

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[mike777]

1c=(2nt)=x=(3h)
p=p=4h=p
6c=p




2)

p=2c
2d(gf)=2h
2nt=3s
4s=4nt
5c=5h(kh, grand try)
6d(kd, deny Kc)=6s


3)

1c=1s
2h=3d(art/gf)(minimum for this bid)
4c=4d(rkc in c)
4s=4nt(q ask)
6c(QC, deny outsideK)

[the_clown]

After a natural 1♣ its very tough. The best I can think of is.

1♣-(2NT)-X-(3♥)
pass - pass -3♠-pass
3NT-4NT
6♣

4N is optimistic at best.

Playing precision is a lot easier and there shouldnt be any problems.

2.
2♣-2♥ (0-5)
3♠ (5♥4♠)
4♦(agrees ♠ max )-6♠

Actually the 3♠ bid was not part of the system, but it is something that I would like to add. If this is not available I am never getting there.
Playing precision:

1♣-1♦
1♥ (forcing balanced or nat)-1♠
2♠ (5♥4♠ Gforcing)-3♠
bla bla slam

3.
1♣-1♠
2♥-2♠ (5+ Gforcing)
3♣-3N
4♣-5♣
6♣

Precision:
1♣-1♥ (8-11)
2♣-2♠
3♥-3N
4♣-4♦ (do something intelligent?)
6♣

The 4♦ is questionable, but 4♥ sounds like preference and 4♠ like an offer to play.

[Zelandakh]

2♣ - (2♥) - X
2♠ - 4♣
5♣ - 6♣ seems the most direct route on Hand 1. This would be a very tough hand at MP.


There are a myriad of possibilities on Hand 2. Something like

1♣ - 1♦
1♠ - 2♦
2♥ - 2♠
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 4♥
4NT - 5♦
6♦ - 6♠

would be likely in practise (1♠ unbal GF; 2♦ ~3-5; 4♣ serious denial cue; 4♦ ask; 4♥ denial cue with ♦ control).


Hand 3 gives a chance for some relays

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 2♣
2♦ - 2NT
3♣ - 3♥
3♠ - 3NT
4♣ - 4♠
4NT - 5♦
5♥ - 5NT
6NT

All of Opener's bids are relays except 1♣ and 6NT. Responder shows a min 5=2=4=2 GF with 3 controls, in spades and hearts but not in diamonds and clubs. That is enough to count 12 tricks.

[kenrexford]

On the second board, my "New Frontiers for Strong Forcing Openings" would work wonders:

2♦(4+ spades, strong)-3♥(weak balanced hand with four spades)
4♣(do you have the club King?)-4♦(no, but I have the diamond King)
5♦(do you have the diamond Queen?)-5♥(nope)
6♠(Oh well...)

The third board benefits from the same style, at least as to the start:

2♣ (strong with generally 0-3 spades)-2♦(GF, waiting)
2♠(four hearts, longer minor)-2NT(no heart fit, but what is the minor?)
3♣(clubs, with 0-2 spades)-3♦(punt)
3♥(0-1 spades)-3♠(cue for clubs)
???

I would still miss this, though, unless North takes a position.

[ahydra]

1)

1C-(2NT)-X-(3H)
p-(p)-4C-(p)
5C-(p)-6C-all pass

A bit ugly but the basic idea is that South doesn't want to give up on slam, and North has nothing extra to show; South can speculate with 4C because 1C is 4+ (12-14 NT), and probably 5+ because with a strong balanced hand N would likely X or do something over 3H. I don't like it though and wouldn't be surprised to end up playing 3HX (should North run?).

2) There are a few possibilities here, depending on how South treats his 26 HCP godzilla of a hand. If he shows 26-27 bal he probably plays 3NT or 6NT depending on whether North is a wimp; if he shows a GF with hearts and eventually spades, he plays 6S, something like

2C (strong, many options; one of them is hearts) - 2H (negative)
2S (any GF) - 3D (NAT - not a complete bust)
3S (4+ spades and 5+ hearts) - 4D (cue)
6S (DK is good, but partner doesn't have CK) - pass

To be honest I doubt 6S would be bid directly (4D doesn't necessarily deny the CK), but IMO feels a sensible bid.

Or if N doesn't think that's a negative:
2C-2D
2H-2S (relay with spades)
3S (agree spades)-4D (cue)
6S again

3) the easiest of the lot, barring a mixup.

2C ("clubs" option this time) - 2D (positive)
3C (6+ clubs) - 3S
3NT - 4C (RKC clubs)
5C (even KC with void) - 5D (ask Q)
6C (Q no kings) - pass

Should South show the void? I think so, but if not the auction is pretty much the same.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

What happened at the table:

1: 1♣(4+♣)-(2N)-X(to penalise one or both, denies 4♣)-(3H)-P-4♦(KB)-5♣-6♣

2: we defended this one, but would bid 2♣-2♦(neg)-2♥(nat or bal)-2♠(semi forced)-3♠(5+♥/4+♠)-4♠-5♣-5♦-5♥-5♠-5N(anything else ?)-6♠(no Q♦/K♣)

It's easier if you don't play Kokish 2♣-2♦-2♥-3♦-3♠-4♠-5♣-5♦-5♥-5♠-5N-6♠ and now you have the option of bidding the possibly good 7 knowing partner has 5♦/4♠. It can't be worse than trumps 3-2 and either red suit 3-3 and can be a lot better.

3: we had a cow flew by moment, partner showed 5-5 rather than 5-4 so we played in the inelegant contract of 5♦ but made 12 anyway. By our system, we should bid: 1♣-1♠-2N(GF unbal)-3♣(semi forced)-3♥(6♣/4♥ and huge, bigger than reverse)-3♠(5th card)-3N-4♣-4♥-4♠-5♦-5♥-5N-6♣ and we'd stop there rather than 6N at teams as I can't be sure the A♠ is not the K.

Had you played precision against me on board 2, you'd have got a 3♣ WJO over 1♣-P-1♦ and maybe a 4♣ raise to contend with.

[mike777]

1) I dont understand ..you dont have an agreed suit for kb do you?


2) I dont understand 2d neg..you have a gf response...

[Cyberyeti]

 mike777, on 2012-November-05, 11:53, said:

1) I dont understand ..you dont have an agreed suit for kb do you?


2) I dont understand 2d neg..you have a gf response...

1: Since diamonds is a known suit of the opponents, 4♦ is kickback in clubs by our methods, there is pretty much no hand on which I would need 4♦ for anything else.

2: we play the old fashioned 0-7 neg.

[Fluffy]

its hard to tell seeing the full hand but I might finish in 3NT after the_clown's sequence on first one.

second one I am a simple soul, regardless of kokish it will go

2♣-2♦
2♥-whatever
3♠-4♠
5♣-5♦

if partner had ♣K I think I would miss this one, I have no king ask.

Third one something like:

1♣-1♠ (or 1♥ transfer)
2♥-2♠ (gf relay)
3♦-3NT
4♣-4♥
6♣

[Fluffy]

 ahydra, on 2012-November-05, 10:48, said:

2) There are a few possibilities here, depending on how South treats his 26 HCP godzilla of a hand. If he shows 26-27 bal he probably plays 3NT or 6NT depending on whether North is a wimp; if he shows a GF with hearts and eventually spades, he plays 6S, something like

2C (strong, many options; one of them is hearts) - 2H (negative)
2S (any GF) - 3D (NAT - not a complete bust)
3S (4+ spades and 5+ hearts) - 4D (cue)
6S (DK is good, but partner doesn't have CK) - pass

To be honest I doubt 6S would be bid directly (4D doesn't necessarily deny the CK), but IMO feels a sensible bid.

I wonder what you bid with 7 decent diamonds if 4♦ supports spades.

[Codo]

In the first:

1♣ (2 NT) X (3♥)
pass (pass)3♠ (pass)
3 NT (pass) 4 NT (pass)
6 ♣

2.:
2 ♣ 2 ♦ (GF Relay)
2 ♥ 3 ♦
3♠ 4 ♠
4 NT 5♦
5NT 6♦
7♠
IF parter does not treat the hand as GF relay and we start with 2♣ 2 ♥ I will end in 3 NT instead... So, game or grand.

3.
1♣ 1 ♠
2♥ 3♦
4♣ 4 ♦ (Minorwood, dislike)
4♥ 4♠ (KC, 1)
5♦ 5♥ (Kings- Heart)
5NT 6 clubs (Anything else? No)
pass

[ahydra]

 Fluffy, on 2012-November-06, 03:06, said:

I wonder what you bid with 7 decent diamonds if 4♦ supports spades.

You would start with 3D rather than 2H. But I admit, we haven't got our rules for "when is it a cue and when is it natural" 100% sorted yet.

ahydra

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Cyberyeti, on 2012-November-05, 08:40, said:

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

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3rd hand.

Open 2C with this 3 loser hand ( similar to ahydra but different ):

2C - 2D ( waiting but positive; no 5 cd suit w/ 2 of top 3 )
3C - 3S ( 5+ cd suit )
3NT - 4C
4D! ( kickback when suit agreement at 4-level ) - 4S ( 1 key, has to be ♠Ace )
5D! ( K-ask ) - 5H ( ♥K )
5S ( 2nd K-ask ) - 6C ( no more )
pass at IMP/ 6NT at MP

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Cyberyeti, on 2012-November-05, 08:40, said:

Played a county match yesterday, and for once the boards were quite interesting. Would be interested to see how people bid these which all turned up in the first 11 boards:

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Dealer N love all

If N opens 1♣ E will bid 2N both reds good/bad and W will bid 3♥ over pass or double but otherwise stay silent

1st hand ... using Un-Un :

1C - (2NT!) - 3H! [ showing ♠] - ( X )
p - ( p ) - XX [ need more info ] - ( p )
4C - ( p ) - 4D! [ kickback ..] or just bid 6C

[Cyberyeti]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-November-06, 11:12, said:

1st hand ... using Un-Un :

1C - (2NT!) - 3H! [ showing ♠] - ( X )
p - ( p ) - XX [ need more info ] - ( p )
4C - ( p ) - 4D! [ kickback ..] or just bid 6C

Would not be an X over 3♥, that hand has 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a jack, so would only give preference.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

 Cyberyeti, on 2012-November-06, 11:37, said:

Would not be an X over 3♥, that hand has 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a jack, so would only give preference.

Then Opener bids 4C earlier... etc . to 6C.

[PhilKing]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-November-06, 20:19, said:

Then Opener bids 4C earlier... etc . to 6C.

Am I the only person who thinks opener has a completely obvious 3NT bid over 3♥, suggesting, of all things, long strong clubs and a heart stop?

[Fluffy]

 PhilKing, on 2012-November-06, 20:32, said:

Am I the only person who thinks opener has a completely obvious 3NT bid over 3♥, suggesting, of all things, long strong clubs and a heart stop?

Yes, when you say it is completelly obvious, but I at least found it a reasonable alternative.

When partner makes a power double I normally try to fall back and give him a chance to double in case we really have them. But this hand looks like a good one to make an exception.

[Codo]

Why should I bid 3 NT without a spade stopper?
I mean if I had been in the pass out seat, this call had been obvious. But here? Why should I?