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#1 User is offline   bftboy 

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Posted 2012-October-30, 13:26



We lost a Swiss final because I didn't respond 1 with this hand. They did at the other table, and the subsequent auction kept our teammmates out of a making 3nt. Usually, when I respond 1 with this hand, P makes a strong rebid and we are down at 2nt or 3 o4 . So, I am looking for any advice or guidelines on when - and when not - to respond to p's opener on sub-minimum values. thx
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Posted 2012-October-30, 13:51

View Postbftboy, on 2012-October-30, 13:26, said:



We lost a Swiss final because I didn't respond 1 with this hand. They did at the other table, and the subsequent auction kept our teammmates out of a making 3nt. Usually, when I respond 1 with this hand, P makes a strong rebid and we are down at 2nt or 3 o4 . So, I am looking for any advice or guidelines on when - and when not - to respond to p's opener on sub-minimum values. thx


Rules for general application are tough. In this situation, though, the primary upsides to bidding are (1) not passing with a stiff in partner's potentially short suit, (2) you have a nice five-card major, and (3) 1 is a very preemptive call.

Additionally, you have decent shape. With this 5-4-3-1 pattern, you have only a 10-loser hand before looking at honors. If partner is expected to have a 7-loser hand to open, you expect to take 24-10-7=7 tricks. Thus, you would expect to make 1 if partner has a fit. So, you are not that far off a response, especially with Q-x-x possibly removing one loser.
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Posted 2012-October-30, 15:13

Three things point to responding light with this hand. You have a five card major, you are not vul, and partner will hate your dummy in 1.
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Posted 2012-October-30, 15:33

Definitely a 1 response. The worst that can happen is a 2NT rebid by opener on a hand where 1 would have made or you would have got a plus score some other way. But many good things can happen.

The idea that you need 6 HCP or even 5 HCP to respond has been dead for some time. Unfortunately it has never been given a proper funeral and burial and is now starting to stink up the place.

But don't take too much of the blame when it is your team-mates that missed the 3NT game. The converse of responding 1 on this hand is that, when opponents do it, you shouldn't take them seriously and instead continue to bid constructively if your hand warrants it.
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Posted 2012-October-30, 15:50

This thread reminds me of a board I played maybe 20 years ago against two enthusiastic younger players....my partner opened, I responded, and we each took 2 calls.....the opps finally balanced and we defended a partial. The opening lead was made and declarer said: They each bid twice....twice! and we have 27 hcp!

Sure, by responding bad things could happen, but so could great things. Imagine partner with AQxx AKxx x Axxx or any 4423 hand.

I could have just upvoted josh's post..he said it better, shorter.
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Posted 2012-October-30, 19:56

It's definitely a 1 call.

It's true that if partner has a big hand you might get too high. But partner might fare far worst when playing 1 holding a 3-1 suit.

So with some points and shortness in a partner's possible short minor opening suit, you should tend to try to make a response if at all possible. Here you have a 5 card major with good intermediate cards backing an honor in the suit. That partially offsets that you hold only 3 HCP because you can tolerate playing in a contract.

If there is a fit with partner, your side might be able to find a decent contract to play, or make it difficult for the opponents to find the right spot.
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Posted 2012-October-31, 03:12

MikeH wrote my feelings much better than i could have.
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Posted 2012-October-31, 03:17

Besides all the good reasons given already: I bet that in the long run you will make less undertricks in 3 then in 1 .

So what may happen and can be real bad:
1 1 3 Yes, 1 had been easier, but at least partner has a real decent suit and whop knows, maybe you stopped them from bidding 3 in a red suit.
1 1 2 NT: Play 3 spade, will usually be not worse then 1 club or 2 NT.
1 1 3 NT (usually a better gambling minor) This is really really bad luck. But hey, maybe your queen of hearts and the spade stopper is all partner neeeds?
1 1 2: This is surely a much better contract then 1 but this is usually forcing. And you will pass. Partner must uderstand this.
1 1 4 - You can make it.
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Posted 2012-October-31, 04:09

Hi,

I would pass, but if you want to respond, bid 1D, this keeps
the bidding alive, keeps maximal room for opener.

If partner showes up with 4 spades, you can raise.

This assumes, you dont play Walsh, were the seq.

1C - 1D
1S - 2S

may show a stronger hand, than the one you happen to hold.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2012-October-31, 10:02

Yeah, I pretty much knew I had made a bad mistake when I pulled the green card. It was just dumb. You've all listed lots of good reasons to bid. I think I've just had a run of bad results from responding with sub-minimum values, and was trying to figure out whether there are any go or no-go general guidelines that might lead to more good results and fewer bad ones.
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