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Posted 2012-October-22, 12:18



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Auction 1
(1C)-X-(P)-4S
(5C)-?

Auction 2
(1C)-X-(P)-4S
(4NT*)-?

*2 Suits
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Posted 2012-October-22, 12:31

Pass for me, I already showed this hand.
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Posted 2012-October-22, 13:05

Same. If anything, the fact that I am 4-3-4-2 and not 4-4-4-1 argues more for passing.
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Posted 2012-October-22, 13:06

pass, I have my bid, nothing more and not even the ideal short club.
In a partnership with "lesser" standards about the major length, I would bid 5.
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Posted 2012-October-22, 13:32

ditto
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Posted 2012-October-22, 14:49

What would 3 over the x have been?
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Posted 2012-October-22, 17:10

View PostPhil, on 2012-October-22, 14:49, said:

What would 3 over the x have been?

Weaker and longer than a 2 bid.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-October-22, 22:58

I also don't see any reason to do anything but pass.
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Posted 2012-October-23, 08:21

View Postgnasher, on 2012-October-22, 17:10, said:

Weaker and longer than a 2 bid.


I think we are endplayed into passing then. If 3 would have shown an invitational hand with 5 pieces, and 4 shows more playing strength than that, then making another call is plausible.
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Posted 2012-October-25, 07:57

the minority report returns is this a good hand for forcing pass to apply???

P has freely jumped to game at equal vul (though limited by not cue bidding first to show power)
Is this alone enough to eliminate forcing pass?? I do not believe so. N original x has a very
wide range and it can be very important to let p know it is inadviasable to proceed here.

I think once you take FP into consideration the very minimal N hand should x to tell p about
the minimum nature of their hand. This does not guarantee a set of 5c it is designed to warn p
about the hazards of continuing.

IMO n should x over both 5c and 4n to show this minimum and leave the rest to partner.
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Posted 2012-October-25, 08:12

I don;t think that is normal to play this as a FP sequence. Partner just showed a preemptive raise.

I would consider dbling 4N to tell partner that I have defensive holdings in declarers side suits. Not sure I would actually do it on this hand, but it is worthy of consideration.
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