[johnu]

IMPs, Swiss teams, Neither side vul.

First poll question: Do you keep the auction open over partner's 3♣ bid?

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2nd poll question: Same hand, but if East bids 3♦ instead of passing, do you take any action over 3♦?

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[CSGibson]

In the first hand I'd pass

2nd situation I think I would stretch to double, even though I'm technically a bit light. I do have both majors, and my honor cards aside from the J of diamonds are all likely working

[gszes]

pass over 3c and 4c over 3d

It is much easier to envision p shortness in dia after a 3d bid than over pass.
This greatly increases the chance of making game. If p wishes to advance over
4c they can bid a 4 card major on the way and we can play there instead of 5c.

If we x now (lets say showing both majors) are we going to be happy if p bids
3h or 3s?? The club QJ are such superb support that not showing it via 4c will
make it most diffcult for us to reach game.

[mikeh]

gszes, on 2012-August-07, 10:19, said:

4c over 3d

It is much easier to envision p shortness in dia after a 3d bid than over pass.
This greatly increases the chance of making game. If p wishes to advance over
4c they can bid a 4 card major on the way and we can play there instead of 5c.

If we x now (lets say showing both majors) are we going to be happy if p bids
3h or 3s?? The club QJ are such superb support that not showing it via 4c will
make it most diffcult for us to reach game.

I suspect that bidding 4♣ will make it even more difficult to reach 4M!

Partner will only bid 4M over 4♣if he has the values for 5♣ when, as is likely from his p.o.v., we don't fit his major (I would always take 4M as an offer to play there rather than as a cuebid).

So he needs a good hand, indeed, to bid 4M.

Whereas if we double, he will upgrade a hand with say 6 clubs and a 4 card major, which is what we want him to do...and the reason we want him to do that....indeed, the only reason we ventured the aggressive double....was that we held the QJ of clubs...thus we are happy of we hit a major suit fit and not unhappy if he is forced to retreat to 4♣ (and if by some miracle he bids 3N, we are likely to be very happy).

[Phil]

CSGibson, on 2012-August-07, 01:38, said:

In the first hand I'd pass

2nd situation I think I would stretch to double, even though I'm technically a bit light. I do have both majors, and my honor cards aside from the J of diamonds are all likely working

Seems right to me.

[ggwhiz]

CSGibson, on 2012-August-07, 01:38, said:

In the first hand I'd pass

2nd situation I think I would stretch to double, even though I'm technically a bit light. I do have both majors, and my honor cards aside from the J of diamonds are all likely working

I agree with pass in the first case and double in the 2nd is only a bit aggressive. Small loss if I'm wrong and only a pip short on value.

By partnership agreement, losing up to 5 imps in an attempt to push them around is an acceptable cost of doing business. I am forced to behave myself if red though.

[Cyberyeti]

CSGibson, on 2012-August-07, 01:38, said:

In the first hand I'd pass

2nd situation I think I would stretch to double, even though I'm technically a bit light. I do have both majors, and my honor cards aside from the J of diamonds are all likely working

My first thoughts too.

[Quantumcat]

I voted for double in the first case, it's fun to annoy the director

[Fluffy]

I also though pass and double, but I am worried this might be a bit incosistent.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass / Pass.

The first Pass - lack of options.

The second Pass - if I am passing in #1, than I am passing
now as well, it would either be pass or X, and I was satisfied
with 110 / 130, and it will be ok, if I get only 50 / 100 playing
IMPs.

Playing MP, we can start discussing X, but I would not do it, but
partnership style matters a lot.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2012-August-08, 07:06, said:

I also though pass and double, but I am worried this might be a bit incosistent.

Inconsistent yes, but if I had a bid which suggested anything like "9+ both majors and club tolerance" after a pass I'd make it, I don't and any of the bids I do have aren't really appropriate. Double is merely a slight overbid in the second case so IMO worth doing.