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How limited are your limit raises?

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2012-May-20, 21:12



IMPs. 2/1. 3♥ is limit raise w/ 3+ trump.

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Posted 2012-May-20, 21:22

3♠
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Posted 2012-May-20, 23:10

You need at least 8 HCP for a Limit Raise, so this clearly doesn't qualify. 3♠ seems an underbid - I would bid 4♠. We might owe partner another Spade, but that Club suit and the ruffing values has me thinking we make it.
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Posted 2012-May-20, 23:14

Is 3C fit-showing by a passed hand? If not, 4S. But, we have different standards for 3rd seat 1S than most.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 00:26

4 ♠ -- It's OK to bid 4 ♠ with only 4 trump when you have a 6 card side suit. If partner has ♣s, your holding is golden. If partner holds other suits, you've distribution to ruff losers in them.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 00:34

2s no problem yet
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Posted 2012-May-21, 02:07

7 1/2 to 8 losers. 4♠ would be automatic with red suits reversed. Now there's a higher risk that partner has wasted values in ♦s. IMPs will cause me to bid 4♠. At MPs I bid 3♠. This hand is not a Limit Raise - Missing an A or K somewhere.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 02:45

If 3C isn't fit showing, is 4C a fit showing bid? That seems better than 4S. Partner may have a very awkward decision when they bid 5H.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 03:17

Hi,

best would be to show the clubs.

The hand is actually too weak for a limit raise, and to strong for a single raise,
i.e. a mixed raise.

If you cant show the clubs, bid 3S.

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Posted 2012-May-21, 04:07

Can anyone produce a reasonable hand here that wants to bid 3♣ without spade support? Surely it is only logical that this would be a FNJ even if you do not usually play them.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 06:26

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-May-21, 04:07, said:

Can anyone produce a reasonable hand here that wants to bid 3♣ without spade support? Surely it is only logical that this would be a FNJ even if you do not usually play them.


This, if you expect partner to come to the same conclusion at the table without prompting.

Otherwise, 4C if you have an agreement to play fit jumps in competition.

Otherwise, 4S.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 08:36

View Postmike777, on 2012-May-21, 00:34, said:

2s no problem yet

The problem comes 3 passes later ...
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Posted 2012-May-21, 09:37

This hand belongs in game but I would like to help partner with his decision over 5♥, so 4♣ for me.

If we don't play fit jumps in competition over a major, we will after this hand.
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Posted 2012-May-21, 22:47

My regular partner who also functions as my coach told me years ago - with four trumps and a singleton - bid game. It has never failed me yet.
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