[kgr]

MP's

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(1D was Acol style)
- What is the minimum for North to bid 2♥?
- Do you pass or bid 4♠?
EDIT: For the actual hand I had C & D wrong:
D: xx
C: Axx
Would that make a difference?

[gwnn]

pass is unthinkable, especially as now we know partner has short diamonds. Does pass even exist? 2♠ wasn't GF but I think it was forcing and surely now that partner has a fit, we can't pass. Well this is just one way of thinking about it I guess.

A minimum should be KJxxx and out, or QJxxx and a queen, or something like that. A 4-card heart suit would need some more hcp.

[dkham]

Agree with comment above, I'll bid 4♠ and hope to ruff diamonds in dummy.

Partner's 2♥ over 1NT I think must be based mostly on shape.

[kgr]

gwnn, on 2012-May-16, 09:07, said:

pass is unthinkable, especially as now we know partner has short diamonds. Does pass even exist? 2♠ wasn't GF but I think it was forcing and surely now that partner has a fit, we can't pass. Well this is just one way of thinking about it I guess.

A minimum should be KJxxx and out, or QJxxx and a queen, or something like that. A 4-card heart suit would need some more hcp.

I did edit OP. Realized that I had ♦xx and ♣Axx

[billw55]

dkham, on 2012-May-16, 09:22, said:

Agree with comment above, I'll bid 4♠ and hope to ruff diamonds in dummy.

Partner's 2♥ over 1NT I think must be based mostly on shape.

Whatever his reason, he bid freely twice. Pass is not a LA.

I might in passing ask about the details of the 1NT bid, but it seems unlikely this will matter.

[aguahombre]

It might be a bit closer decision than that, IMO. West probably only has 4 diamonds which might mean two diamond losers for us. There is room for 5 points in North, and if two of them are the spade queen West might have bid 2D instead of 1NT.

Losing a spade, 2 diamonds, and a club is quite possible...or a spade, two diamonds and a heart. I would probably at least consider this, and then bid 4S anyway.

[inquiry]

Keep in mind that you have already shown a GOSH (good one suited hand) when you pulled 2♥ to 2♠.


As for the 2♥ free bid it showed some values, obviously, but I like partner to bid with any good reason, and five hearts to the king or QT might be good enough. Realistically, unless east psyched, he can not have much more than that. As for the possibility we can make 4♠, partner heard me bid 2♠, and he knows if he is short in diamonds or not. It is totally possible partner has a doubleton spade here and a few diamonds.

Unlike others in this thread, I am not all that fond of bidding these values twice. This is not even a good GOSH type hand. i would have liked to have the T9 of spades instead of the 65 for a minimum GOSH, or another minor suit honor somewhere. I am thinking partner is just trying not to sell out here, and I have nothing extra to bid on. For me, pass seems obvious, so it looks like I am one of the few not getting to game.

[aguahombre]

Just out of curiosity, are we sure we have shown a GOSH? Could 2S not have been the correct bid over 2H with a hand too strong for the overcall range and doubt about trump (say only five spades)?

[Fluffy]

♦xxx is super strong holding with partner marked with 1 or 2 cards, reverse the minors and we are probably one trick shorter. Passing becomes an option then.

[gwnn]

Inquiry, the point is that while partner knows he is short in diamonds, he does not know we have xxx.

[quiddity]

gwnn, on 2012-May-16, 09:07, said:

pass is unthinkable, especially as now we know partner has short diamonds. Does pass even exist? 2♠ wasn't GF but I think it was forcing and surely now that partner has a fit, we can't pass. Well this is just one way of thinking about it I guess.

I don't agree with this; I don't even think 2♠ was forcing. It showed a hand too strong to overcall 1♠ but if partner has a trashy minimum with no fit I think he should be able to pass. There is a cuebid available if we need to force, and a jump to 3♠ if we have that sort of hand.

Even now that partner has shown a fit we can pass. Partner's 3♠ was competitive. If we had a minimum for the previous auction with a bad heart holding then we should pass. But with an extra spade and heart honors and nothing wasted in diamonds it seems clear to bid game.

[MrAce]

Pass is hell of an option for me especially at MP.

[gszes]

in these days of ever lighter opening bids I am
constantly amazed to see so many players overestimate
the power of a level opening bid. If rho has a typical
light 1d opening there is no reason p cannot have 5-7
hcp. This along with probable short diamonds is more
than sufficient reason to bid 4s.

[MrAce]

gszes, on 2012-May-16, 20:38, said:

in these days of ever lighter opening bids I am
constantly amazed to see so many players overestimate
the power of a level opening bid. If rho has a typical
light 1d opening there is no reason p cannot have 5-7
hcp. This along with probable short diamonds is more
than sufficient reason to bid 4s.

Of course, if i am playing with someone who can not see his hand and i have to bid for him, you have a point.

[kgr]

Thanks all for the answers.

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I inquired because I thought like Inquiry says, that I had bid my hand twice by bidding 4♠.
Probably pass is better at MP's (I would not have the courage at IMP's).
LHO did lead ♣K and I ducked that and he continued with ♦J. I lost a ♣, a ♥ and 2 ♦'s.

[JLOGIC]

Our hand magically changed

[JLOGIC]

I would def pass with 2 small diamonds. Hopefully partner woulda bid game if his king was in a different suit and was downgrading his DK.