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#41 SteveMoe

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Posted 2012-May-22, 23:14

Does
1♦- 1♠
2♦- 3♣
4♣ - 5♠
feel like it misrepresents the value or key question left on this hand?

If partner returns to 6♣, you can offer 6♦.

Partner should not take 3♣ as natural in this auction initially (see 3rd suit forcing p55-56).

Also BWS 2001 states:

After a one-level suit response and opener’s simple same-suit rebid:

(a) a third-suit bid that is a reverse or a three-level bid is forcing to game;

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#42 RunemPard

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Posted 2012-May-24, 15:55

SJS...
1♦-2♠
3♦-4♣*
5♥*-5♠*
Not sure after this...King ? is pointless, and partner assumes we may not have much support to spades...easy 7♦ or a gut instinct 7♠, no regrets...

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#43 jillybean

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Posted 2012-December-19, 00:30

bump "3rd suit forcing"
I need to revisit this

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#44 Cyberyeti

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Posted 2012-December-19, 04:17

jillybean, on 2012-December-19, 00:30, said:

bump "3rd suit forcing"
I need to revisit this

We play a home hashed version of a bourke relay that seems to work, along with a slightly odd SJS.

Our version in cut down form.

1♦-2♠ = old fashioned single suited rock crusher or (H=AKQ) HHxxx or better in my suit and Hxxx or better in yours, GF.
1♦-1♠-2♦-2♠ highly constructive NF
1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥ relay for most hands inv or better
1♦-1♠-2♦-2N inv NF, 4 hearts, to show a good hand with 5♦/4♥ bid 2♥ then 3♥, to invite in NT go via 2♥

We rarely play 2N over 1♦-?-2♦, 1♦-1♠-2♦-2♥-2N also shows hearts the way we play.

Another thing to discuss is what is 1♦-1♠-2♦-3♠ which if you play this sort of relay I quite like as 6♠/3♦ slam invite.

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Posted 2012-December-20, 07:36

jillybean, on 2012-May-15, 07:52, said:

No scroing, we were bidding some hands on the partnership bidding table.

Partner could have supported ♠'s over 3♣ but it brought up an intersting problem anyway.

Which is better in this sequence 1♦ 1♠ 2♦ 3♣* nmf or 2♥ Bourke relay?
(edit after reading the post above) Why is Bourke relay better? If I have spades and hearts I won't show that until the 4level.

I agree 3♦/2♦ should be nf.

If you had SJS available, would you have used it on this hand?

Play 3SF/Bourke Relay. Then you never have a problem after 1m-1M-2m.
The North hand has 3 possible rebids: 2♣, 2♦ or 2♠. He chose the worst. I prefer 2♣.
The opponents have 11 hearts between them. Were they asleep?

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Posted 2012-December-20, 07:57

lowerline, on 2012-December-20, 07:36, said:

Play 3SF/Bourke Relay. Then you never have a problem after 1m-1M-2m.
The North hand has 3 possible rebids: 2♣, 2♦ or 2♠. He chose the worst. I prefer 2♣.
The opponents have 11 hearts between them. Were they asleep?

Steven

The Bourke Relay [ cheapest bid new suit ( artificial ) forcing -- 2H! here ] was mentioned early -- at least 3 times in posts # 8 , # 14, and # 18 ... as a most effective way of how to force after a Opener's rebid of his/her minor [ similar to NMF after a 1NT rebid ].

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Posted 2012-December-20, 08:38

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-December-20, 07:57, said:

We actually use the next suit up even if it's been bid, 1♦-1♥-2♦-2♥ is relay rather than 2♠, you bid 2N as the cheapest bid in the relay suit.

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Posted 2012-December-20, 09:15

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-December-20, 07:57, said:

Thank you for pointing out to me that others share my view on this.

Steven

#49 helene_t

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Posted 2012-December-20, 09:31

3♠ should probably be forcing here, especially playing WJS. 2♠ would then be 7-11 or such, and weaker hands would make a WJS (or pass 2♦).

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Posted 2013-January-02, 10:09

Nice easy one here

1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal
... - 1♥ = INV+ relay
1♠ = min, not 4 spades unless 4441/4450
... - 1NT = GF relay
2♣ = 4+ clubs
... - 2♦ = relay
2♥ = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs
... - 2♠ = relay
3♥ = 3064
... - 3♠ = relay
4♣ = 3 controls
... - 4♦ = relay
5♦ = controls in diamonds, spades and clubs, 2 of top 3 in diamonds, only 1 of top 3 in clubs
... - 7♠

(-: Zel :-)

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