[sailoranch]

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Favorable at IMPs. You are playing 2/1. How should the auction proceed from here?

Thanks in advance.

[benlessard]

2H--4C (void)
4Nt--2+Q
7H

people hate showing voids in partner_suit but for me its often there that I have a void !

[TWO4BRIDGE]

@Ben

Good show on the splinter. I had not thought of that one ( or encountered it ) before .
Reviewing the logic, 2C! I assume was GF.
Then after the suit agreement of 2H ( guaranteeing only 3 cards ) , 3C would be forcing, so 4C! = jump-over-a-force
should be a splinter.
My only concern would be that opener should have 6 cards ♥ for the splinter bid ( 9 combined ), but why mince with such a good 5 card suit !

[Zelandakh]

Not sure why North is showing the ♥Q here. Any reason why they could not hold Axx/Jxx/Ax/KQJxx? I would have thought a more measured progression to the auction would be along the lines 2♥; 3♦ - 3♠; 4♣ - 4♦; 5♣ which surely has to show a club void and implied heart values. I don't play 2/1 though so do excuse me if I missed an important inference. I am also interested if someone could compute the odds of 7♥ making. Intuitively it does not feel like we should have the right odds for it to be a good bet at IMPs.

[Cyberyeti]

Zelandakh, on 2012-May-04, 01:59, said:

Not sure why North is showing the ♥Q here.

He isn't, this fooled me too first up.

S bids 4♣, N bids 4N asking aces, S shows 2+Q and N bids 7.

[Fluffy]

would never bid 2♥ with north´s hand that is a terrible bid. The stiff aces are screaming discard the low hearts with pointed kings!

North sets trumps with 4♣ then bids keycard and when he asks about ♣Q he assumes partner will be smart enough to think doubleton low club might be worth it. Partner denies ♣Q and 6♣ is reached.


1♥-2♣
2♦-4♣
4♥-4NT
5♣-5♦
6♣

[Antrax]

Fluffy, how do you play if partner's hearts are Axxxx on a heart lead? Aren't you worried about not being able to get to dummy?

[mike777]

ya bidding 2h on that north hand feels like double dummy bidding.

[ggwhiz]

I would bid big black over 1♥. The 2♣ bid seems like a waste of time when you need to know about ♥ quality only and the 2♦ bid takes you off course.

If I get anything but a 5♠ response I am maybe in 6♣, so sad if the club grand was on with side pitches for a late heart loser but if I got a 5♥ response I would probably shoot 7♣.

In this case I'm bidding all the ♥.

[Antrax]

I've clearly been reading the wrong books. I have a bid that shows my hand is GF and has a good club suit. My next bid can further describe my hand as 3 card heart support with GF strength. Why is 2♣ a waste of time? Why is opener rebidding his shape in a GF auction taking anyone off course?
What happens with your proposed auction, ggwhiz, when opener's hearts are AJxxx, so it goes:
1♥-4NT (RKCB for hearts, apparently)
6♣ (odd, ♣ void I'm telling you about since I have no clue which voids are useful)-oops
Do you still play 6♥? Do you plan on passing the 6♣ response?

[mike777]

Antrax, on 2012-May-04, 23:53, said:

I've clearly been reading the wrong books. I have a bid that shows my hand is GF and has a good club suit. My next bid can further describe my hand as 3 card heart support with GF strength. Why is 2♣ a waste of time? Why is opener rebidding his shape in a GF auction taking anyone off course?
What happens with your proposed auction, ggwhiz, when opener's hearts are AJxxx, so it goes:
1♥-4NT (RKCB for hearts, apparently)
6♣ (odd, ♣ void I'm telling you about since I have no clue which voids are useful)-oops
Do you still play 6♥? Do you plan on passing the 6♣ response?

you rebid shows 3 tiny h but does not show 8 great clubs ...that is the issue of rebid of 2h which sounds double dummy.

I mean your whole post, entire post is about telling your hand.

[Antrax]

Yeah, I guess I'm weird like that. When my system allows me to establish a GF fit on the 2-level while showing the main feature of my hand, I do that instead of jumping to the 4 level straight away. I trust you people's judgement, but it'd be great if you could back it up with some examples, like what do you do in your club slam when partner's hearts are less good.

[mike777]

Antrax, on 2012-May-05, 00:19, said:

Yeah, I guess I'm weird like that. When my system allows me to establish a GF fit on the 2-level while showing the main feature of my hand, I do that instead of jumping to the 4 level straight away. I trust you people's judgement, but it'd be great if you could back it up with some examples, like what do you do in your club slam when partner's hearts are less good.

but but but at no p oint have you shown the main feature of your hand....8 clubs......

2h rebid does not promise 8 clubs...

In fact I would say it denies this hand....

[Fluffy]

Antrax, on 2012-May-04, 10:42, said:

Fluffy, how do you play if partner's hearts are Axxxx on a heart lead? Aren't you worried about not being able to get to dummy?

Aren´t you more worried about playing 6♥?

I can get to dummy with ♣Q hopefully then, or a lucky ♣10x. A heart lead is very unlikelly even if partrner´s hearts are bad.

[Antrax]

I don't plan on getting to 6♥ opposite Axxxx, though, that's the point. All the advocated jumping around is what I fear will get me too high too fast.

[Fluffy]

I am not sure how to explain this, your fear about getting too high too fast is overreacting to bad results on low fields. If you play boards like this on strong fields you would soon develop a much stronger fear for staying too low.

Partner opening1♥ where my only losers are 3 small hearts makes me go wild. If I was dealer and partner bid 1♥ over my 1♣ opening I would be already thinking about how to get to slam.

[Antrax]

Again, I don't doubt your judgment is superior, but it's difficult to learn from. Am I worried the opponents will suddenly preempt if I try to have a constructive auction?

[Fluffy]

The problem with constructuve auctions is that you cannot set clubs as trumps anymore. 4♣ says quite clearly: We play in clubs no matter what. While if you try to go slower your first step will probably go with 2♥, and after you set a major as trumps it is very hard to convince partner and end up playing on a lower strain. I think the very top players have more experience on this, but at least me, I can count the times I did it with the fingers in one hand.

2♥ rebid is great if you want to know partner´s shape and see if your honnors fit, but this hand is one of the best examples of when partner´s shape matters the least.

[mikl_plkcc]

In my system:

2♥ - set trumps
4♥ - sign off

4NT - RKCB
5NT - even number of keycards with a useful void

At this point, North doesn't know that South has 0 or 2 keycards so he bid 6♥.

In fact, north should immediately start cue-bidding after the opening since he has slam interest.