[jillybean]

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MP NV, dealer = north

[TWO4BRIDGE]

In this age of "opening all elevens" and responding 2/1 GF with "all twelves " is bound to get you to unmakable games.

Perhaps if it went the way of a forcing 1NTF you might get out in 3H :
1S - 1NTF
2C - 3H jump
pass

[Stephen Tu]

I think it's a lot more realistic for north to decline to open a blah flat 11 count, than for South not to force to game if North opens.

Probably getting to at least 3h down 1 though.

[mike777]

1s=1nt(sf)
p


looks like 1nt is down one.

I can understand if you want to make a 2/1 with 2h ...

[jillybean]

Sorry, maybe I should have pointed out that I play 2/1, forcing 1nt

[mr1303]

No, I can't. North has a clear opening bid, and South a clear 2H bid. Anyone who says they would do otherwise is just resulting IMO

[frank0]

I don't open North's hand, it's not even satisfy rule of 20(which is already light enough for 2/1 player).

I believe 2/1 player should not open light, this hand is an example. It's nothing related to going down 800 or 1100 at 1 level. By opening light your partner need higher strength to make a GF bid(otherwise you go down very often when your minimum open hits partner's min GF w/o big fit hand), as a consequences you add more hands into your forcing 1NT(non descriptive bid) range. By doing that, when you have more than minimum opening and partner has maximum forcing 1NT you may cold in game but impossible to find.

Light open seems like an approach which minimize the advantage and maximize the disadvantage of 2/1 system.

[lalldonn]

Stephen Tu, on 2012-April-17, 17:36, said:

I think it's a lot more realistic for north to decline to open a blah flat 11 count, than for South not to force to game if North opens.

Probably getting to at least 3h down 1 though.

Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥

[lalldonn]

mr1303, on 2012-April-17, 17:59, said:

No, I can't. North has a clear opening bid, and South a clear 2H bid. Anyone who says they would do otherwise is just resulting IMO

Lots of people would not open north's hand. If not playing precision I would pass with north's hand (but quite possibly reach game anyway).

[Stephen Tu]

lalldonn, on 2012-April-17, 18:53, said:

Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥

No comprende. Are you saying that no one should stay out of game, or are you saying that you are supposed to make 3♥?

[BillPatch]

I am sorry. Not opening light in first seat does not improve my result. I would open
third seat and rebid my ♥. With 2 honor tricks and an 8 card fit guaranteed my
responder would rebid 3♥. With a 5 loser hand I must be game at 4♥.

My sequence (opponents passing)
pass 1♥
1♠ 2♥
3♥ 4♥
pass

[Statto]

The excellent ♠ intermediates make North's hand a clear opener IMO. If playing Standard I would respond 2♥. Playing 2/1, 1NT is justified with a void in partner's suit, and maybe we'll get out at 3♥. But an immediate 2♥ reply with a good suit and hand is far too tempting...

[BillPatch]

lalldonn, on 2012-April-17, 18:53, said:

Getting to game would be a lot more understandable than going down in 3♥

I also fail to see the endplay that will make 3♥.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Here is an interesting situation ... from a previous thread ( http://www.bridgebas...ne-bad-defense/ ) ... in this same forum about "Two Missed Slams.." .

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Same opening 1S..... and another 5 loser, 12 hcp Responder hand w/6 cards ♥ and ♠-void ... but ♥ slam makes.
If Responder bids a GF 2H, they may get to slam.
but if Responder bids an "inspired" 1NTF, they may not get to game.

[mikl_plkcc]

I would go to 4H in my system:
/-(/)-1H-(/)
1S-(/)-2H-(/)
4H-(/)-/-(/)

Actually, the reason of failing game is bad trump fit, which cannot be avoided in any system.

[Zelandakh]

I would play 4♥ by North after a weak NT opening - am rooting for an "inspired" spade lead...

[han]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-April-17, 17:24, said:

Perhaps if it went the way of a forcing 1NTF you might get out in 3H :
1S - 1NTF
2C - 3H jump
pass

Perhaps if you knew partners hand you could cheat your way short of game. What's the point of responses like this, especially in the B/I, I mean, I/A forum?

[Fluffy]

I would rather open East's hand than north's, but assuming he will pass the bidding should look like:

pass-1♥
1♠-2♥
3♥-pass

[Fluffy]

han, on 2012-April-18, 08:13, said:

Perhaps if you knew partners hand you could cheat your way short of game. What's the point of responses like this, especially in the B/I, I mean, I/A forum?

If I knew partner opens balanced 11s I wouldn't force to game with 12 missiftting counts. South's hand is worth more than a normal 12 count though but this is I/A not expert

[Cyberyeti]

We open weak balanced hands 1N or pass never 1♠ so it's a close decision whether to open, my guess is I would but partner would pass. If I open 1N we will be in 4♥.

If it starts P-1♥-1♠-2♥ I can believe a pass (we rebid 3♥ on a touch less than some people as we play a GF unbal 2N rebid to deal with big hands) but not sure I'd find it.