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2NT-3♥ [Transfer]
3♠-4♣
What is 4♣ and how many Spades does it show.
I believe that it shows only 5 Spades and I am not sure of what the meaning should be.
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Gerber, splinter, cuebid, 2nd suit, or something else? 2/1 ACBL
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Posted 2012-April-16, 21:02
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Posted 2012-April-16, 21:21
The easiest thing is for 4C to show a club suit. Opener, now bids 4S with a spade fit for the supposed 5-bagger; then, if responder wants to continue, he continues.
With 4+club support, opener will bid a red suit control. With 2-3 in the black suits, opener will bid 4NT.
With 4+club support, opener will bid a red suit control. With 2-3 in the black suits, opener will bid 4NT.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2012-April-16, 23:13
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Posted 2012-April-17, 05:30
Clubs. Opener has only shown 5 spades.
This is what I play with all current partners, and I'd expect other treatments are abnormal and require discussion.
This is what I play with all current partners, and I'd expect other treatments are abnormal and require discussion.
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Posted 2012-April-17, 10:48
Clubs is pretty obvious, and I agree with Dickie that it is the only standard meaning.
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Posted 2012-April-17, 18:51
aguahombre, on 2012-April-16, 21:21, said:
The easiest thing is for 4C to show a club suit. Opener, now bids 4S with a spade fit for the supposed 5-bagger; then, if responder wants to continue, he continues.
With 4+club support, opener will bid a red suit control. With 2-3 in the black suits, opener will bid 4NT.
With 4+club support, opener will bid a red suit control. With 2-3 in the black suits, opener will bid 4NT.
I agree with this scheme, with one small addition. Opener, with a maximum non-pre-accept with a good spade fit,
will cue bid a red suit, ostentively agreeing clubs, and later convert back to spades. (I cannot remember
where I learned this, but it is not a original thought.)
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Posted 2012-April-17, 19:08
BillPatch, on 2012-April-17, 18:51, said:
I agree with this scheme, with one small addition. Opener, with a maximum non-pre-accept with a good spade fit,
will cue bid a red suit, ostentively agreeing clubs, and later convert back to spades. (I cannot remember
where I learned this, but it is not a original thought.)
will cue bid a red suit, ostentively agreeing clubs, and later convert back to spades. (I cannot remember
where I learned this, but it is not a original thought.)
We used to do that on occasion (agree the minor, then convert later). We abandoned that idea when she had a wonderful sequence --able to count thirteen tricks in clubs based on knowledge that I held AX doubleton in spades. Then I converted with AXX, and we had no prayer.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2012-April-17, 19:25
aguahombre, on 2012-April-17, 19:08, said:
We used to do that on occasion (agree the minor, then convert later). We abandoned that idea when she had a wonderful sequence --able to count thirteen tricks in clubs based on knowledge that I held AX doubleton in spades. Then I converted with AXX, and we had no prayer.
So much for my book learning.
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