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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-August-18, 05:17

You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams:

♠KJxx
♥AKQ
♦A
♣ATxxx

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-August-18, 05:45

Since to play 2C as GF and 1 of suit as "up to 20" you must have an opening bid to deal with Acol 2 types you could try opening that! :) It seems to me that your definitions are wrong. 1 of a suit must be 12 to "just less than GF" and thus 1C stands out. If you really want to keep your 1 of suit openings limited to 20 then you should probably consider incorporating a reverse Benji style 2D opening. It is probably better to just go with the mainstream though and change your definitions.
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Posted 2011-August-18, 06:49

You don't mention any restrictions on your 2NT opening, does that mean you open any hand with 21-23HCP with 2NT? In that case, you have your (poor) systemic 2NT opening, wtp?

If 2NT is only (semi)balanced, I'd open 1♣ planning to reverse.
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Posted 2011-August-18, 07:22

2NT for me
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Posted 2011-August-20, 11:08

I normally open any 21+ hand 2♣ (or equivalent) but here a 1♣ opener gives you an easy rebid, so I'll try that instead.
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Posted 2011-August-20, 11:22

A semi-GF 2♣ (or 2♦) opening won't solve the problem since you don't have a rebid after having opened at the 2-level with this hand.

Maybe a Roman 2♦ opening could be generalized to cover hands like this one.

Otherwise you are stuck with 1♣ or 2NT. I usually open 2NT. But with 44(05), 1m can be just short of gf. And sometimes I will open at the 1-level with gf hands. Opening all gf hands at the 2-level probably requires you to put some of the gf hands into the 2♦ opening.
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Posted 2011-August-20, 11:24

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-August-18, 05:17, said:

You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams:

♠KJxx
♥AKQ
♦A
♣ATxxx




2nt scattered hcp.

I dont want to open 1c and have to jump shift into spades and a 1s rebid is NOT forcing.
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Posted 2011-August-20, 11:37

With 13 of the 21 HCP in the red suits, opening 1-club and JS to 2S doesn't feel very good, but opening 2NT doesn't feel that great either. Will go for the size and shape thing, and try 1C then 2S. Maybe CHO won't respond a red suit.

Even though a 1S rebid is forcing for me unless pard has scraped up a 4-5 count response, I won't try it this time.
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Posted 2011-August-20, 12:28

1♣. This hand is not as good as it's HCP would indicate.
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Posted 2011-August-29, 18:13

1♣, planning to jump shift in spades next, and then bid hearts. If we get dropped in 1♣, we're very unlikely to have a game.
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Posted 2011-August-29, 20:54

1♣. Also plan to rebid only 1♠, if pard responds 1♦.
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Posted 2011-August-29, 22:00

1♣
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Posted 2011-August-29, 23:21

For me it's definitely a 1♣ opening but I wouldn't define one of a suit as 12-20.
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Posted 2011-August-29, 23:27

still strongly prefer 2nt the arguments for 1c are not strong.
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Posted 2011-August-30, 15:49

:P 2NT for me, but there is nothing really wrong with 1♣.
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Posted 2011-August-30, 21:01

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-August-18, 05:17, said:

You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams:
♠ KJxx ♥ AKQ ♦ A ♣ ATxxx
2N = 10, _P = 9. (Playing 2/1 you probably open 1♣. Given Hanoi's understandings, however, you open a systemic 2N).
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Posted 2011-August-31, 09:00

1C absolutely.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 09:27

1♣ for me too.

I don't hate 2nt but prefer a ♣ suit that looks more like tricks for it, ie a ♥ card or 2 in it. If pard has ♦ the communication stinks and if the opps have ♦ so does notrump.

As for playing there I've never had that happen with a singleton in a higher ranking suit than my bid and will ignore that until it happens.
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Posted 2011-August-31, 17:15

1♣ 100%. Planning to rebid GF 2♠ over 1♥ or 1♦. I always respond with a sensible 5 count, occasionaly with exceptional 4, so we will not be missing game very often. And if p has a response we are much better placed than when he opens 2NT. I dont have problems opening NT off shape, but I do not see the gain in this situation.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 10:52

This system is quite inconsistent. There is no bid for 21-24 unbalanced hands if you assume 25 to force to game.

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You play 12-20 1-level openings, 21-23 2NT and FG 2♣, how do you deal with this, second seat, red vs white, teams:

♠KJxx
♥AKQ
♦A
♣ATxxx

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