[BunnyGo]

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What should South bid now? The scoring is IMPs.

Do you think this should have been avoided by opening 1NT (15-17) the first time?

[Phil]

Partner passed 1♦? Where is this hand going?

I don't mind defending 1N with this hand, and partner can still bid in the pass-out seat.

On a good day, LHO will raise with his off-shape 14.

[P_Marlowe]

X - what else?

1D is normal, if you want to sell the hand as bal., sell it as +18.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[MrAce]

-I dont have the fear of missing game, pd passed.

-I cant show my 2 suits and still play at 2 level if pd returns to ♦

-I am not unhappy with defending 1NT or any other contract.

So i pass.

[BobElliott]

BunnyGo, on 2011-June-08, 13:28, said:

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What should South bid now? The scoring is IMPs.

Do you think this should have been avoided by opening 1NT (15-17) the first time?

PASS....WTP

[kenrexford]

I agree that the hand is too strong to open 1NT, so 1♦ is it.

At this point, I also agree that I do not mind defending 1NT. However, I am not convinced that I will be defending 1NT. Just because I like the current contract is not a reason to pass, if I expect the auction to continue and if I would be helped by bidding.

The question that is important to me, therefore, is whether I will be helped if I make a call here.

The opponents have three possible strains, other than notrump, to consider.

If they get into hearts, I have little problem -- I can handle that because I have spades and diamonds.

If they get into spades, I am pleased.

If they get into clubs, we might want to compete to 3♦, and we might get jacked out of that by their auction to 3♣. But, I don't feel that strongly about this possible risk to bid 2♦.

So, I think I'll pass.

Interesting side thought, perhaps. Maybe a double here should show diamonds and hearts, the pattern where opposition bidding might be more problematic?

[nige1]

As opener. 1♦ seems OK and
Pass seems OK now.

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[BunnyGo]

Thanks all for your thoughts. I've including the full hand and play below. As you can see, it did not go well after bidding 2♠. I was sitting East, and I think 1NT was ok but maybe it was pushy.

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[Lurpoa]

BunnyGo, on 2011-June-08, 17:56, said:

Thanks all for your thoughts. I've including the full hand and play below. As you can see, it did not go well after bidding 2♠. I was sitting East, and I think 1NT was ok but maybe it was pushy.

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♥

this shows how dangerous it is to undertake any action.
For IMPS, really not wothwhile, to risk a disaster.

At the best we can make 2♦ or 2♠, but if we can, there is a good chance 1NT goes down.

[CSGibson]

I would probably open this 1N (I'm allowed a max every once in a while, and the Jx of clubs and bad spots are negative features to offset the aces and good 5 card suit...). Having opened 1D, I'm thrilled to let them play 1N, so I pass.

Also, Partner would stretch to bid 1M over 1♦ with any values, so I'm not going looking for some spade fit on this hand.

[gnasher]

I think that:
- West has a 2♠ overcall.
- East's 1NT is OK.
- If South is going to act, he should double. I think this shows the equivalent of a balanced 18-count, but with some playing strength.
- South's should probably pass, because his suits aren't very good.
- South should have played it better.

[MrAce]

gnasher, on 2011-June-09, 01:04, said:

- West has a 2♠ overcall.

I agree.

[han]

Definitely agree with 1S by west.

I think that opening 1NT with the south hand is a joke Gibson.

[gordontd]

han, on 2011-June-09, 02:29, said:

Definitely agree with 1S by west.

Agreeing with something requires either that it happened or that someone has suggested that it should. I don't think either of those things apply here.

[Free]

Imo the hand is way too good for a 1NT opening, so 1♦ is fine.
West has a ♠ overcall. Depending on style it's 1♠ or 2♠ (or 3♠ for some lunatics).
Over East's 1NT, south shouldn't bid 2♠ imo, I'd just Dbl to show extra's.

[P_Marlowe]

Lurpoa, on 2011-June-08, 23:55, said:

♥

this shows how dangerous it is to undertake any action.
For IMPS, really not wothwhile, to risk a disaster.

At the best we can make 2♦ or 2♠, but if we can, there is a good chance 1NT goes down.

This translates to - if we get 90 or 110 in a contract of our own, we get 50 / 100 by beating 1NT,
but 100 only if we beat it -2.
After 2nd though, I am not saying anymore, that X is clear cut.
But your argument is actually a argument for X at MP.

Playing IMPs - if you make a X, the worst case scenario is, that they make 1NTx= or that we go down in
a 2 level contract (the contract is hopefully a diamond contract), this can cost 200-500 vs. 90, ...
although sometimes one makes it.
Bidding 2S is ..., since you run the real risk playing 3D, and contracts on the 3 level get doubled more
easily.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Lurpoa]

P_Marlowe, on 2011-June-09, 02:55, said:

This translates to - if we get 90 or 110 in a contract of our own, we get 50 / 100 by beating 1NT,
but 100 only if we beat it -2.
After 2nd though, I am not saying anymore, that X is clear cut.
But your argument is actually a argument for X at MP.

Playing IMPs - if you make a X, the worst case scenario is, that they make 1NTx= or that we go down in
a 2 level contract (the contract is hopefully a diamond contract), this can cost 200-500 vs. 90, ...
although sometimes one makes it.
Bidding 2S is ..., since you run the real risk playing 3D, and contracts on the 3 level get doubled more
easily.

With kind regards
Marlowe

♥
Yes agreed.
At MP a double is defendable; never 2♠!

[gnasher]

I agree that a 1♠ overcall is pusilanimous.

[CSGibson]

han, on 2011-June-09, 02:29, said:

Definitely agree with 1S by west.

I think that opening 1NT with the south hand is a joke Gibson.

Did you hear the one about the Turkish Bartender who opened 2♣ on 9 solid spades and out?

[helene_t]

I really don't like 2♠. Double is not quite as bad but I strongly prefer pass. Double wins if they stay in 1NT and go down. But double makes it easier for opps to find a fit in hearts or clubs, and if they decide to stay in 1NTx there is no guarantee that it goes down.