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Trick 2 defence

Poll: Trick 2 defence (22 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you play at trick 2

  1. Another top diamond (13 votes [59.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 59.09%

  2. A heart (8 votes [36.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. Something else (1 votes [4.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2011-May-22, 04:35



You lead the ace of diamonds, and partner plays the 9 and declarer the 4. This is from one of the following holdings:

9
J9
J98
J96
986
J986

don't complain about your signalling methods.

What do you do at trick 2? Why?
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Posted 2011-May-22, 18:20

I voted for a heart. But I don't think that's right. If pard has Axx(x) of spades and a singleton heart, he would have played the DJ. I think the 9 is a middlish card and he's trying to show no preference. But I don't see how it can be right to continue diamonds. So I'll play a spade.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 01:36

I'd cash another ♦. Anything else is just a guess.

If pd has stiff or doubleton ♦ we are happy, if he has 3 cards we didnt lose much by cashing it and we can study dummy again with new info. If pd has 4 ♦ we wld be better if we didnt cash but declarer looks in good shape if has stiff ♦ due to AKx ♦ anyway.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 01:51

View Posty66, on 2011-May-22, 18:20, said:

I voted for a heart. But I don't think that's right. If pard has Axx(x) of spades and a singleton heart, he would have played the DJ. I think the 9 is a middlish card and he's trying to show no preference. But I don't see how it can be right to continue diamonds. So I'll play a spade.

As I understand the carding methods, partner's card is purely upside-down attitude. With J9x he is obliged to play the 9. If he played the jack we would know it was a singleton.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-May-23, 02:26

The vulnerability is annoying. At favourable we could rule out the possibility of a heart ruff, because with Axx x xxx Q98xxx partner would have overcalled 3♣.

Obviously either of the main poll options might be right, but a club could also be right - declarer might have AJxx xx xx QJxxx. We'd play a club to the king, parter would play a trump back, we'd win the next diamond, and we'd play another club to force dummy.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-May-23, 02:58

Rules like an playing an honor show the 1 below do not trump common sense and good bridge, it has nothing to do with signalling methods. Playing UDCA Partner has no reason for wanting to keep a J here so he should play the J from Jxx and from J98x especially if he want a ruff a H.

So K of D hoping partner doesnt have 986

If you play that dropping a honor is an "alarm" its a different story. Its just simpler if you tell what are your carding agreement rather than what you expect partner has.
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Posted 2011-May-23, 07:07

I think a ♦ is the only realistic chance to beat the contract, and a ♥ is safest not to throw too many tricks away. So depending on the scoring I'd continue a top ♦ (imps) or switch to a ♥ (MP).
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Posted 2011-May-23, 07:18

Too little information to make an educated guess. I'll try a safe(?) heart.

I feel like complaining about the carding methods, but Frances asked us not to, so I won't :)
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Posted 2011-May-23, 07:48

Cashing a top diamond and finding partner with shortness, or 3 and two outside tricks is by far the easiest route to beating this. In fact, if partner has 3 diamonds, we may have to cash now (Axxx Qx xx KQJxx or T9xxx Qx xx AKxx).
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Posted 2011-May-23, 08:02

I don't think Frances mentioned the form of scoring. It was IMPs.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-May-23, 12:05

Hmm...K♦ for me...
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Posted 2011-May-23, 12:37

There is a small clue here I think. If declarer held 864 then he would probably be concerned about a ruff, so he would probably not have played the lowest outstanding spot. A normal declarer will think at trick one, and will normally prepare the 6 (or the 8) when looking at dummy so that he will know that there is at least one spot concealed from west and therefore west will have to worry about whether or not it was encouraging or discouraging. I think declarers play of the four means that there is almost certainly no diamond ruff, so I will try a heart.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 00:26

View Postphil_20686, on 2011-May-23, 12:37, said:

There is a small clue here I think. If declarer held 864 then he would probably be concerned about a ruff, so he would probably not have played the lowest outstanding spot. A normal declarer will think at trick one, and will normally prepare the 6 (or the 8) when looking at dummy so that he will know that there is at least one spot concealed from west and therefore west will have to worry about whether or not it was encouraging or discouraging. I think declarers play of the four means that there is almost certainly no diamond ruff, so I will try a heart.


The 8 and 6 are also lower than the 9?
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Posted 2011-May-24, 04:23

View Posthan, on 2011-May-24, 00:26, said:

The 8 and 6 are also lower than the 9?


Yes, I failed to appreciate that declarer would know the defence had no pip lower than the nine before rho played. What i wrote would be correct if lho had the 6 and S had T 8 4, say.

Still I bet many delcarer's of a certain level would do exactly what I did in the analysis, which is to fail to check the pips and play according to a pre prepared strategy. I am relatively certain that I myself would have concealed the 4 out of habit. Maybe others would aswell.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 09:51

Top diamond. As already said, declarer has heart queen and will otherwise ditch the losing diamond on a heart.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 10:34

View Postphil_20686, on 2011-May-24, 04:23, said:

Yes, I failed to appreciate that declarer would know the defence had no pip lower than the nine before rho played. What i wrote would be correct if lho had the 6 and S had T 8 4, say.

Still I bet many delcarer's of a certain level would do exactly what I did in the analysis, which is to fail to check the pips and play according to a pre prepared strategy. I am relatively certain that I myself would have concealed the 4 out of habit. Maybe others would aswell.
Anyway, declarer knew what our signaling methods are, which is slightly more information than we have been given.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 13:37

Just in case anyone is still interested, the winning defence is not to switch to a heart: you have four top tricks (AK of diamonds, two black aces) but one of them is going on a heart.
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Posted 2011-May-31, 14:59

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2011-May-31, 13:37, said:

Just in case anyone is still interested, the winning defence is not to switch to a heart: you have four top tricks (AK of diamonds, two black aces) but one of them is going on a heart.


And the one going on a heart is obviously not ♠ A :P
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Posted 2011-June-03, 23:46

<_< Am I trying to beat this hand or what? The ♥ loses when declarer has a stiff ♥ and three ♦, not anywhere near the most likely configuration. To me the best chance is 2♦ a ♠ and ♥ ruff.
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