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#1 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

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Posted 2011-February-24, 23:27



2/1, 14-16 NT, what now?
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Posted 2011-February-24, 23:43

3♣.
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Posted 2011-February-24, 23:44

ugh.

6C
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Posted 2011-February-24, 23:52

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-February-24, 23:44, said:

ugh.

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Wow, u must be seeing something i can not. Is it 1♠ response from pd or 2♥ overcall made u so ambitious ?
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Posted 2011-February-25, 00:45

View PostMrAce, on 2011-February-24, 23:52, said:

Wow, u must be seeing something i can not. Is it 1♠ response from pd or 2♥ overcall made u so ambitious ?


if partner has KQxxxx of spades and out then we got worked by not opening 2C. The overcall by rho has made my hand extremely powerful. KJ diamonds, Q clubs, QJ10xxx and perhaps a spade card are to my right. anything else is in partners hand and with qxxx of clubs from p, 6C will roll.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 02:29

3H
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Posted 2011-February-25, 03:09

I would bid 3NT, not sure if I play 2NT gf on this auction I think not.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 04:40

I'd bid 3♣ on a 5-5 12-count, so it would be stretching things to bid it on this. I suppose I'd bid 3NT, but it's horrible.

Another good hand for transfers.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 05:11

No one tempted by Pass? surely partner will not let the auction die here, and frankly, it could easily be 1400 on offer here.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 05:33

3♣, it should be fifth but X would lead to more trouble.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-February-25, 05:42

I'm not sure if 3♣ should be forcing, but even then, this bid should promise 5 cards.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 09:50

Trap pass this. They're gonna be sorry they bid eehheheheh *salivates*
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Posted 2011-February-25, 10:06

3♣ ought to be forcing. Unless partner isn't allowed to jump to 4♠ after our 'support' double. We should be passing minimum hands, so 12 with 5-5 could be passed expecting partner to reopen.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-February-25, 10:28

lol and lol.

3nt obviously
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Posted 2011-February-25, 12:32

3nt is safer, mss is just too likely, Adam what happened at the table?
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Posted 2011-February-25, 16:19

3C is so funny.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 17:19

I chose 3N which made with a couple overtricks after a bit of a friendly defense. Partner's hand was:


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Posted 2011-February-25, 18:38

I think it is interesting to think that i can not reverse after they overcall, especially when my hands are tied with supp DBL. I am well aware that 3♣ shows 5-5 minors, it is a matter of whether it is forcing or not in std methods. And std methods doesnt mean what majority of good players play it as.

Asked couple guys if they think thats forcing or not;

N. Bocchi says it is definetely NF ( but plays strong !C) Steve Robinson says it is forcing in std , TEZ says it is forcing in std and he bids 3♣. Iceking says it is non forcing for him. Some others play it also NF but they also do not play supp dbls.

There is no way of bidding this hand without lieing somewhere after 2♥ overcall.

-Pass = I just cant believe some people think this pass is more forcing than 3♣.
-DBL = supp dbl for me so outa question
-2NT = lieing about shape and about strength
-3♣ = fits the best IF it is f1. Shows 10 cards when only have 9.
-3♥ = perfect way to miss/pass 3NT
-3NT = Makes sure we dont miss game, but wastes a lot of space with 21 hcp. Pd is likely to have xx or x ♥, if we have a fit, i wont be surprised that we missed a slam if he has about 8-10 hcps.

If 3♣ is nf, then of course i could go with 3 NT to insure we dont miss game. However producing 9 tricks with hands that pd passes 3♣ aint gonna be a picnik walk either.

What are the hands by the way pd can pass 3♣ ? The hands where he has longer ♣ than ♦. And his ♥ holding will be x or xx in average because since we have AK♥ i expect overcaller to have 6 ♥ at least. And hands where he cant rebid his ♠

So, 5134 6223 ??? or what ? And as most of u guys stated, he thinks we have at least 5♣. Even if we agreed with pd that 3♣ can be as minimum as 11 hcps and 5-5, we will still bid it with some better hands. The hand types that pd can pass comfortably is very small imo, like 6223 and his ♠ are not rebiddable.

Bottom line is, if 3♣ is forcing it fits perfect in this hand. And i can still bid 3 NT later in most cases. If it is NF, i believe it still is the least dangerous bid, if we all agree that any bid here has some flaws to it.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 19:04

We've discussed this auction and I can't believe that anyone would play 3♣ as forcing. I would rather bid 6♣ than 3♣ lol. I'm not a fan of 3N either - the hand has too much potential.Don't get me started about a pass.

Now, since 3♣ is NF 4♣ shows a pretty good hand. Certainly that's a choice. Or 3♥.
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Posted 2011-February-25, 19:17

I agree with everything in Phil's post.
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